Dude, if you really want to see a pay to win game, I refer you to battlefield. [spoiler]that's it. [/spoiler]

He denies held the opportunity to play. Fork out the money for the game you support so it can continue to be active for ten years. If you can't afford it or don't want it, don't complain

[quote]I hate how one of the weekly strikes REQUIRE you to have TDB expansion; it makes me sick with anger whenever I ask my friend "Hey wanna run through the nightfall strike with me real quick?" and he replies "Nope, can't. It's omnigul." My friend doesn't have the expansion pack. The hell, Bungie?!?! My friend could have gotten an exotic, or a weapon that is absolutely OP in the crucible, but you deny him that chance because of this. He can't get above level 30 either, so that means he gets stomped in the Iron Banner. (There's some Pay To Win for ya.) He can't get HoC and doesn't have G-horn, so it takes forever to find a VoG group that isn't full of the kind and intelligent elitists that we all know and love. There are even places that are from the HoW that people have [i]already glitched into[/i]! (I've done it myself.) The $hit that we are all psyched to throw our money at is already in the game! Why are they making us pay for something that is already in the game?! I'm so afraid that this rumored "Comet, Plague of Darkness" Mega DLC will also feature the content for the other two remaining DLCs. The Comet bs will be so full of Pay To Win/Play at this rate. What if the rumored new subclasses are OP? What if the weapons in this expansion are OP? The bungie I know wouldn't do this. (Hell, any smart company wouldn't do this...) If you don't like speculation then don't read this spoiler. [spoiler]I personally think it's Activision's fault. Bungie never did anything of this magnitude to us loyal fans before they paired up with Activision. They were great to their crowd when they were paired up with Microsoft, even.[/spoiler] Hope you enjoyed my rant. I'll be adding edits later on. Edit 1: I play with him on PS3. He got his own a long time ago, and he got Destiny for his birthday from another friend. Edit 2: You guys totally are right about the term Pay To Play and how I should have expected a lot of expansions. Don't get me wrong, I like the dark below. But I really think that having to pay for content that's already in the game is fuqed up. I don't believe that you should have to pay again for something that you already paid for.[/quote] A game company needs to give something to its season pass holders bc they bought the dlc and if u didn't buy it well then you shouldn't be allowed to use what someone else has paid for. Have a good sir

[i]I agree with you! It's like going to the movies I paid for the ticket so the popcorn should be free. Or going to a club you pay $20 to get in so the beer should be free. Or buying a burger the fries & drink should be free. Paying for a flight my luggage should be free. This whole business model is horrible. [/i]

The full content isn't one the disc. This is actually very common now with games being made bigger. This is done usually by putting sections of map or other forms of framework preloaded onto the disc. This is done to make dlc download faster since there is less to actually be downloaded. I know a lot of people get mad about this but I really don't mind. It's better than waiting half the day for it to download on release date. I'd also suspect that some of the updates and other dlc modify and add to the framework for future dlc. With games like destiny that also keep some of the information sever side this can be even more important. Server side info would be players, enemies, gear, and most anything that isn't the map itself. That ends up being a lot that must be tracked in real time and transmitted to all the systems connected to that server. Now for this it would matter if it map data were in the disc or downloaded with the dlc, but it could not run well being streamed from the server without very long loading times. And even then it would greatly slow the servers. So functionally, pre loading some of the content onto the disc may be the best option.

Aren't most video games pay to play...

It's 12 bucks go mug someone so you can buy the expansion, problem solved.

Hahahhahahaha!!! Its dlc. Its not expensive either.

This post is so stupid i don't think i even can argue. "Pay to play"

And you can get past level 30 and if done right coukdve got to 32 without the expansion. Its called iron banner

The areas weren't complete, and besides that, it's rather common for day one dlc and season pass stuff nowadays. Stop acting like Destiny is the first and only game that's done this.

You could tell your friend to stop being such a cheap ass.

Your right bungie is a real dirty rotten sneak, and there is a lot of people that just love getting ripped off.

I felt so bad for my friend I got him the dlc.

Destiny is. A 16 age limit point one Point two seriously tell him save pocket money in face don't just tell him save up 4 how gonna supersede everything anyway

Honestly, why would you even still be playing this game if you did not buy the expansion?

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