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Edited by Madman: 3/12/2015 7:59:54 PM
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Hard Mode Raids Should Treat Difficulty Increases in an Additive Way, not Subtractive

Currently, one of the most significant changes between a normal raid and hard raid is the inability to revive teammates during instances. Frankly, this is just bizarre. Not only is there no precedent anywhere in the game, but being able to revive teammates is one of the most fundamental properties of this game. I mean, it's literally the first thing in the Destiny experience; you're resurrected by your Ghost. However, the removal of our ability to revive teammates means Bungie's designers have taken a subtractive approach to increasing difficulty. The alternative would be additive (e.g., enemies have more health, enemies deal more damage, there are more enemies, etc.), which are tactics they also employ, but the mixture is a little weird. Presumably, the intent is to make dying a big bummer. But that's the problem. Dying is already a pretty big bummer, and no revives means we're not playing. Are these implications really what Bungie wants? In another thread, another player pointed out how certain subclasses become irrelevant in hard mode. For instance, Warlocks' ability to self res with sunsinger is WAY more important than nova bombs, which are rendered highly ineffective by the much tougher enemies. The suggestion there is that perhaps these supers are not suitably balanced. For the purposes of the hard mode raids, though, making certain subclasses irrelevant subtracts more viable resources from the game. Further, it limits our strategic options. The cumulative effect is that hard mode raids aren't really hard. They're merely a matter of employing one of the few strategies that work and crossing your fingers that everything goes as planned and that no glitches trip you up. It's just a weird experience that isn't really representative of the game as a whole. The raid design team has cherry picked elements of the game to make important to us, and part of the puzzle is figuring out what works and what doesn't work. It isn't necessarily about how [i]well[/i] you execute, just that you do. I'd like to see the hard mode raids made more difficult by adding layers of obstacles, not removing tools from our tool box. Let our skills breathe. Don't make us pigeon hole ourselves into specific skillsets and resources that we must use to complete the challenge. Instead, present challenges that give equal credence to all of our abilities and allow us to choose the ones we like to use based on the challenges ahead of us, not what you've taken away from us.

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  • Edited by Prof Sheitbag: 3/13/2015 2:27:38 PM
    Whoa, wait a sec, buddy - Bungie adding something else into the game that can make this a nightmare: [b]Glitches, bitches[/b]! xD Even with our Swordbearer as host, and with his insanely fast connection, we still watched: 1.) The sword drop, and fall through the floor into oblivion 2.) Ir Yut magically regen health 3.) Ir Yut fly into her crystal and basically mock us with her eulogy 4.) Swordbearers during the bridge and Crota sections just not showing up for the party 5.) The bridge, even after being "fully formed" and visible to all of us not able to hold the weight of a single guardian (he fell right through....) 6.) Enemies rushing through the barrier in the crystal room (nearly wiped our hold team) 7.) Ogres randomly spawning out of sequence during Crota (had 1 spawn during our first sword - wiped out two guys before we realized what was going on) 8.) Ogres/Swordbearers running to weird areas on the map (Swordbearer runs back into Ogre rooms, Ogres running underneath crystal room - nothing is provoking them, the just make a B-line there for some reason) 9.) Totems activating, and wiping our team, even after the ogres have been dispatched 10.) The Gatekeeper during the Crota sequence pretty much saying 'Fuk this!" and rushing our entire team in the crystal room 11.) Crota pulling a Bastard Gatekeeper and rushing out entire team in the crystal room 12.) Crota getting pissy and chasing down our Swordbearer (we have a great video of him chasing our SB for quite the distance...) 13.) Crota's bullets magically flying through walls 14.) Crota half-kneeling (playin' possum) only to then go apeshit and swing that sword (he had no shield either - would not go down again) 15.) Crota not going down at all, even with no shield (dude had nothing, and we had gally's dropping on him for 10 seconds straight - he just refused to kneel) And my absolute favorite: 16.) Dying when you drop into Crota's End (watched a bud of mine drop in, and then as he landed get thrown against a rock and die. We all had a good laugh) So, the subtractive method of increasing difficulty is not Bungie's only card to play - they also love, love, love leaving some of the worst game-breaking glitches active and prevalent in these raids.

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