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Edited by SSDxCrunchyWolf: 2/22/2015 1:15:00 AM
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Should we still preform circumcision?

Honestly after watching this video it's hard to say. What do you guys think? Edit: please don't even comment if you didn't watch the video.

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  • Edited by dazarobbo: 2/16/2015 8:52:30 AM
    Here are all my arguments on the topic. [quote][url=http://www.darwinharmless.com/thoughts_and_comments/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/flow-chart-circumcision2.jpg]Here's the tl;dr[/url]. 1. The absolutely incredible thing I've learned from this topic is the amount of complete and utter ignorance and apathy toward this. It's sad. 2. Circumcision causes [b]significant physical and psychological pain[/b].[quote][url=http://www.jewishcircumcision.org/spectator.htm]The[/url] increasing doubts about Jewish circumcision are based on the understanding that it causes harm. Anatomical, neurochemical, physiological, and behavioral studies confirm what mothers already know: infants feel pain. Drs. Anand and Hickey, in a comprehensive review of recent medical literature on newborn pain, conclude that newborn responses to pain are "similar to but greater than those in adult subjects."11 This study is accepted by virtually all medical authorities and is often cited in the literature whenever there is a discussion of infant pain. As a surgical procedure, circumcision has been described as "among the most painful performed in neonatal medicine."12 Studies of infant responses show that the pain of circumcision is not like that of a mere pin prick. It is severe and overwhelming.[/quote] 3. The baby [b]does[/b] remember it.[quote][url=http://www.jewishcircumcision.org/spectator.htm]Circumcision[/url] has other harmful effects. Anand and Hickey write that the persistence of specific behavioral changes after circumcision in neonates implies the presence of memory. In the short term, these behavioral changes may disrupt the adaptation of newborn infants to their postnatal environment, the development of parent-infant bonding, and feeding schedules.18 Psychiatrist Rima Laibow agrees that circumcision significantly impairs mother-infant bonding.19 Other researchers conclude that circumcision has "behavioral and psychological consequences."20 The American Academy of Pediatrics Task Force on Circumcision notes increased irritability, varying sleep patterns, and changes in infant-maternal interaction after circumcision.21 Canadian investigators report that during vaccinations at age four to six months, circumcised boys had increased behavioral pain response and cried for significantly longer periods than did uncircumcised boys, a possible indication of post-traumatic stress disorder.22 Other long-term effects have not been studied.[/quote] 4. The supposed reduction in risks of UTIs, STIs, HIV/AIDS, cancer, etc... are heavily disputed. The source of these claims is a 2012 [url=http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/08/22/peds.2012-1989]policy statement[/url] from the American Association of Pediatrics which has been [url=http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/12/peds.2012-2896.abstract]criticised by numerous professionals and health care organisations for being culturally bias[/url]. 5. "Circumcision removes the risk of phimosis". First of all, in times where it is medically necessary to have one performed, the procedure is justified. Just as amputating a heavily infected limb would also be justified. Secondly, circumcision to prevent phimosis is like amputating your fingers, toes, etc... to prevent frostbite, or cutting out your brain to reduce the risk of dementia. 6. "I've seen one been done and the baby didn't cry".[quote][url=http://www.jewishcircumcision.org/spectator.htm]The [/url]relationship between infant pain and vocal response needs explanation. The cry may be reduced by the effect of anesthetics given to the mother during labor.13 These anesthetics enter the infant's body and, according to pediatrician T. Berry Brazelton, it can take over a week to leave.14 Other factors can also account for minimal vocal response. Justin Call, infant psychologist and professor-in-chief of child and adolescent psychology at the University of California, reports that "sometimes babies who are being circumcised . . . . lapse into a semi-coma."15 Tonya Brooks, president of the International Association for Childbirth at Home and a midwife, observes, "In four of the nine circumcisions that I have seen, the baby didn't cry. He just seemed to be suddenly in a state of shock!"16 Studies demonstrate that even though an infant may not cry during circumcision, the stress hormone level in the blood still increases dramatically, and medical researchers consider this change to be the most reliable indicator of pain response.17 Therefore, lack of crying does not mean that the infant feels no pain. It could mean that he is withdrawing from unbearable pain.[/quote] 7. [url=http://sciencenordic.com/male-circumcision-leads-bad-sex-life]Male circumcision negatively affects the sex lives of a male and his female partner.[/url] 8. "It's the parents' choice." I want to remove the skin from the little finger of my newborn baby girl. That's my choice as a parent, according to this bizarre idea. If you disagree, would you also support my choice to have my daughter's earlobes cut off? How about the entire ear? Am I still justified in it being my choice as a parent? No? How about amputation of her legs? Removal of her eyeballs? What about a straight-out honour killing just because it's [i]my choice[/i]? Draw the line in the sand between what's acceptable and what's not, and justify it. 9. "Not allowing me to circumcise my child is a violation of my religious freedom". See point 7 above. Freedom of religion can only go so far. By the way, who's freedom are we talking about here? Yours, or your child who just been born, doesn't even know what religion is, and might not even want to be part of your religion? 10. "An uncircumcised penis looks ugly." You're free to hold that opinion. If you want to decide that you were born partially ugly and want to have a cosmetic procedure to reshape it, go right ahead. Do note I mentioned it being [i]your decision[/i]. 11. "Why are you so obsessed with dicks?" I'm not the one advocating genital cutting like you probably are. People should leave things alone that don't belong to them. Did you ever think about that? 12. Given everything you've learned above, if you are anti-"female circumcision" you should be equally outraged at male genital cutting. It's mutilation for both sexes, any way you cut it. 13. Speaking specifically about the American culture, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng]it is routinely done as a way to stop boys from masturbating[/url], which obviously doesn't work. The same person who endorsed this practice tried to enforce burning girls' clitorises with acid. [i]n[/i]. If you've made it this far and are still pro-genital cutting, go to YouTube, search for a video named "What the Heck is a Circumcision? - Part ll", and skip to 7:30, then post how much you love the idea of slicing up babies (although if you do, well... let's just say I hope you never have children of your own, for their sake).[/quote]

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    • I dont understand the 'looks ugly' argument, pull back the skin and it looks like any normal dick....though the amount of virgins here would not know how to proceed with sex, or how to even manage such a task. You pull the skin back, it looks the same, I've never heard of any girl going sour over a guys dick from how it looks based on it being circumcised or not, unless she ain't a complete slut.....like its a dick, not a work of art...it's still going to look -blam!-ing weird. *sips tea*

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      • Nah. No need for it. If people want it when they're older, what's stopping them? But don't decide for a kid on something so pointless.

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        • I just looked up foreskin I almost puked

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          • If you have a tight foreskin, it might be necessary as a medical emergency, for example, if you get a boner and it rips.

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            • Oh Flood. The conversations we have.

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            • Lets look at the evidence [b]Uncircumcised:[/b] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) [b]Circumcised:[/b] ( ͡° ̯໒ ͡°) Still having second thoughts?

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              • Do you remember the pain? Did it traumatize you?

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                • circumcisions stay, we will circumcise the amount of dick jokes we have.

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                • Forget about "being easier to clean" or religious purposes. Uncircumcised = nasty looking and repulsive to girls Circumcised = the norm

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                • Of course. I would rather not have aids than have a dick-flap.

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                • Edited by DrollLeprechaun: 2/17/2015 3:19:55 AM
                  Because science![spoiler]er religion[/spoiler][spoiler] maybe science?[/spoiler]

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                • Good goys.

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                • Yes

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                • Our sole purpose is to reproduce (from a non-religious perspective) as long as we are able to maintain that purpose circumcision is irrelevant and based on mere opinion!

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                  • Its up to the parents. I would do it to my son beacuse its proven to reduce the risk of infection. Better safe than sorry.

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                  • -blam!- yes and don't want the next generations walking around with duck butter elephant trunks. Freaking sicko!

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                  • It's completely immoral. I would consider it child abuse. My only exception is if it's a part of your religion.

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                    • Why would you disfigured your body in such a way? Religion?...-blam!- that.

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                      • Your lucky we don't live back in ancient Israel. They cut it with a a sharp piece of flint

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                        • Of course not. It's the 21st century. Supporting routine child genital mutilation is barbaric and sick.

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                          • If peeps wanna cut their kids dicks off I'm not gonna stop em.....

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                            • Shit, I don't remember any pain.

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                              • Approximate circumcision rates in the USA: Midwest: 80% South: 66% East: Around 50% West: 22% And in Canada it's around 45%

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                                • I don't really get all the hate on circumcision, when it's done in a doctors office with a local anesthetic there's really no risk at all. Personally, I think uncircumcised penises are weird, and it seems that many women agree.

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                                  • Edited by Smarkdow: 2/16/2015 3:26:18 PM
                                    No. Circumcision is mutilation. Unless medically necessary, circumcision is a barbaric, cruel, excrus painful, and ultimately [i]cosmetic[/i] procedure. The "benefits" don't justify the immense pain and suffering the baby goes through, and are meaningless in a hygenic society. The baby has no say in whether he wants the procedure or not, and he most certainly can't consent to it. Before you say, "Well, it should be the parents decision!", would you support parents cutting off a baby's earlobes? "But nobody would do it to themselves if they were older, so it's better if it's done when he won't remember it, right?" -blam!- no, it isn't better. If an informed adult wouldn't do it to himself, then why in the blue hell would you subject an infant to it? The rest of the arguments supporting circumcision ultimately revolve around the cosmetic factor. "Oh, well, [i]I[/i] think a circumcised dick looks better." Well, good for you, I don't care. If your argument revolves around that, then quite frankly you don't have a leg to stand on. Now if an informed adult wants to have the procedure, then I don't have a problem with it. I disagree with it, but it's his choice.

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