[quote]Is it just me, or recently are all these christmas noobs posting on lfg as 30/31s and turning VoG HM into a shit fest. I mean come on everyone. It is called a "SUPER". Your most powerful move. You ever wonder why your super charges so fast in the shield? Because bungie wanted you to use them. If everyone used their super. Atheon goes down IN 10 SECONDS. Ghorn is ok to use, if you are a defender. And if you have a double gernade perk. Use those first. I swear these new guys. Thinking you need blackhammer. We did that shit for months with out it! But I digress. Stop using your guns during times vengence. Supers only[/quote] Using blackhammers and weapons of light, we can kill him after the first teleport, its just too easy.