Get wrecked

So PVP is bad because handcannons are in the game? You must have never liked PVP, because PVP has ALWAYS had handcannons.

The void soul buff seems like it was a decision solely based on 3v3s. That is going to be annoying in 6v6. Things that hinder movement never go over well with the community and Bungie never learns.

"pro pvp player" 😂 If it's left in a hand cannon meta, freakin amazing. Beats the hell out of it getting left in a sidearm meta.

😂 hand cannons are the least problematic weapon in the franchise. You are allowing yourself to get 3 tapped. You expect to just sit in one spot and laser across the map with a pulse without any counter? Somebody peek shotting a hand cannon, dealing with bloom, flinch and aiming for your head while you sit there holding down a lane with an obnoxious pulse/ scout or ar in one spot is not problematic. Its counter play. The range of hand cannons is perfectly feasible. Go use one if theyre that problematic and farm people… its that easy right? The people farming you with a handcannon would farm you with a pulse. Its not about secret sauce- pulses and other weapons are the strongest theyve ever been. Learn your engagement ranges. To call last word ‘the problem child’ in 2026 is just the cherry on top to how out of touch your post is

The horrible state will always exist in this game due to 3rd party devices that allow you to cheat and play outside of the intended formats of this game. It will continue to exist without indefinite bans to accounts and I.P. addresses. VPN's shouldn't be allowed. This game needs full player transparency for PvP to remotely run correctly along with a dedicated to actively monitoring gameplay and algorithmic data.

Destiny 2 pvp is the best pvp there is. Players can develop such good skills, because the pvp matches are so consistent. I would recommend Destiny 2 to everyone who wants to play a real competitive and a fair pvp game.

Lmao hand cannons are not even the problematic weapon type right now get a clue man. I thought you were gonna bring up ability spam being a known issue which is only about to get much worse. You mentioning hawk moon which hasn’t been a good choice for so long proves you have zero idea what’s meta. Game is overrun by pulses like redrix martlet outbreak horrors least so many good pulses, or invis sidearms rat king trav chosen, fusions or blinking glaives with Astrocyte, scouts in the back ofc. god i wish you were right i love hawkmoon miss using it, but do you know what range is? Yea… hawkmoon has old HC stats with 65 range at best, you dont have a chance in this meta dominated by pulses rewarding body shots.

If you want PvP then maybe you should try Marathon

I approach a D2 PVP match like this (thought it might help your mindset for focusing too much on #s, meta, mix/maxing, fixating on shi!..etc): Note: this is for Control/6s/IB (more casual/testing).. cause Comp and Trials are different... more on that in the spoiler: [spoiler]Comp & Trials >> its a 3s competition and you throw down your best.. comes what may... [b]Comp[/b] gives you rank-based chance at fairness (really lookin forward to testing myself finally with the full array of weapon/armor reward available there come June 9...) [b]Trials[/b] is heavily weighted for stacks and I being a solo freelancer would need to up my skills considerably to even have a chance of complaining.. but I wont because that left passage is brilliant even for PVE folks. You will have a chance to test yourself but weapons are dropping.. its still fun.. you get to experience trials. Take the right passage when you are ready. Huge choice of weapons and armor coming here as well.. we are eatin good now in PVP land.[/spoiler] so this is for most everything other than Comp/Trials (kinda my rules of play): [b]#1[/b] the balance, sbmm, connections & cheaters --- thats gonna be RNG to the player pop, that exact time of day, and your life's RNG for having a chance of having a fun game. This is not always black and white.. but sometimes it sucks.. there are phases.. leave.. chill out go do something else if you feel this is the current state because there is no fighting that. [b]#2[/b] I do not care about the META, the optimal TTKs, MIN/Maxing, buildcrafting... these are secondary to my fun (cause I don't find them fun or interesting) because I want to test myself with all weapons. Remember this is not for Trials and Comp... so the match especially 6s should allow for a much bigger breadth of weapons being viable. I refuse to believe (because then I wouldn't play) that one weapon will dominate. I want to try them all.. I am the weapon.. that little colorful box that I slot into my character that displays some gun is a neat testing item for me.. I am trying to test it to see if it deserves a spot in my vault (and I label them thus in DIM) and that gets updated. Some I keep because while it/I performed badly its "supposed" to be a godroll.. but often times I delete immediately even mid-game.. since I am ready with another weapon to test right there. [b]addendum to #2[/b] So its all great that my fellow D2 nerds are worshipping the TTK values.. and saying oh well for me to have a chance I gotta use that.. ending everything at paperwork/spreadsheet of values.. instead of just testing/trying (empirical) what you want to try because you like the feel of that weapon you see a path to making it work.. that would be fun for you. I'm not sure why everyone like to get herded into a certain way of play... who is judging you.. especially now, lol.. trust me you are not hitting the TTK over 50%. [b]#3[/b] thats why I continue to try to get players to use a variety of weapons... yes theres occasionally that one Hawkmoon user in a lobby that has thousands upon thousands of kills on that weapon just having no challenge in that match.. and they go into the next match no challenge.. these are brainless bots.. they have no need to capture CPs they are just decimating every match (thinking they are PVP gods).. I think we have to actually feel sad for them.. what kind of person finds this the enjoyable way to play? The approaches here are to have your swap ready to counter (even in casual match.. blah.. but I think will do this more) or to leave.. I'm not staying in that match grouping (how you stay with relatively the same folk in Control games).. cause I'm not there to be farmed by a bot. [spoiler]Note: yes I do not decide whats fun for people but I think your IQ is low if you stick to the same thing in tons of matches in a row.. you are a simpleton.[/spoiler] [u][b]Wrap it up dude...[/b][/u] I think PVP is the most continuously fresh thing in this game.. we are gonna be eating good in PVP (so many weapons/armor and modes out there Jun9).. so [b]I hope everybody does find their place where its worthwhile and fun for them[/b]... I believe that Bungie is keeping an eye to make sure the update goes smoothly for a few weeks at least. Definitely some things to worry about (mythoclast... new stuff not being balanced..etc).. but overall I think it will play well.

[quote]Granted the abilities won't be as bonkers but let me point out something that has been an ongoing issue in D2 for a long time now and everyone knows about it: handcannons. While 180s tend to be fairly balanced with their lower Range and TTK they can be easily challenged with a multitude of different weapons. Heavy Burst are slow, also lack Range and tend to be weirdly inaccurate. Precision frames are similar to both with similar issues. I'm mostly referring to the Adaptives, Aggressives and yes even the Lightweights. They have far too much Range and the most damning of all is that they take no flinch. Sure your screen might jostle a bit but the shots stay true. Even with the crit damage change for Aggressives this won't really change this fundamental problem. Even when you take something like a Lightweight 450 pulse and two pros go against each other unless it's Martlet the handcannon user will come out on top. Because a pro PvP player knows that Bungie has given all the secret sauce to these types of weapons. Factor in the exotics like Ace, Hawkmoon and even the problem child itself the Last Word and it becomes even more apparent. They probably won't receive the proper adjustments before the development team closes shop. And I'll probably get five different Git Gud and enough Whataboutisms to fill a truck bed. Honestly that's fine. Players are allowed to say what's on their minds. The community in general knows that these weapons have been problematic since they started making major adjustments.[/quote] I don’t think handcannon are that big of an issue however I do agree pvp will be left in a terrible place. For example lobby balance is nonexistent even in control with sbmm Iv had 4 back to back mercy games in a row and about 10-15 mercy games just today,that should not be happening with sbmm. Also abilities like freeze and suspend have no business being in a pvp environment. And lastly the weapons balancing is a joke the martlet and high tyrant out class almost every other weapon in the game and also last word is a MASSIVE PROBLEM it’s practically a heavy weapon with primary ammo (and before anyone says last word isn’t a problem and takes “skill” u got jokes last word is free af.) Pvp is and will always be the only true replayable content in d2 and the fact bungie has ruined and neglected pvp for as long as they have makes me not want a d3. Bungie is beyond incompetent at anything involving pvp they can’t even make remotely decent maps for pvp anymore. Bungie is a joke of a company and the leadership should have been fired years ago.