So, I’ve been seeing discussion about the Winnower, the Witness, and the Nine, and it’s made me think about something. Circa back to Edge of Fate, and it’s revealed that the Guardian, unlike Ikora or Lodi needed no intervention in order for the Guardian to become the Weapon of the Nine. Although, the Guardian did need intervention from the Traveler through Elsie Bray in order so we wouldn’t fall to the Darkness. This means that a good chunk of the events that happen within the Light and Dark saga would still have happened in the manner they had, albeit some of these events were taken advantage of in order to push certain people toward certain outcomes, like the Nine hiding the presence of the Red Legion in order for one of them to attempt an escape (iirc) and to ensure Orins ghost was killed so that she’d become the Emissary. It’s was twofold. I doubt we would have fended off the Cabal from caging the Traveler and that the Traveler would have woken up anyways, without the intervention of the Nine. The fact that we could get onto the Flagship to assassinate Ghaul was lucky in itself. So, with the understanding that the Nine didn’t really manipulate the events of the Light and Dark saga besides setting up a couple of pieces in order to ensure that should we succeed, we’d either be the tool for their freedom or for their binding, how then does the Witness compare in strength to the Nine. I feel it’s a pretty close match in spite of the Nine being 4th dimensional beings. The Witness is of lesser strength than the Traveler and Veil, as we only defeated the Witness with the assistance of the Traveler. And below the Traveler, there are the Echos, one of which was strong enough to kill III of the Nine. So I’d say that the Traveler is of greater power than the Nine. But if that’s the case, are the Nine greater than the Witness. That, and how would the Traveler/Veil interact with the Nine. If the Nine control the laws by which Paracausality can manifest, then would that mean that the Nine could kill the Traveler? Would Nightfall Station be capable of it. Nightfall Station was meant to target the Last City, not the Traveler. To destroy the immortal guardians who rule over the Last City in an immortal Militacrocy. But we see in the cutscene that the Nightfall Station would pierce the Traveler though this cutscene only had the Traveler above the last city. Also, as an aside, do the average people know about Neomuna, or is it just the Guardians and Vanguard? Cause, like, it would be pretty funny if Dredgen Bale didn’t know about Neomuna.