Marathon was involved, but I'd say it was mostly Bungie ignoring years of player feedback and the many lawsuits they kept suffering because of easily avoidable screw ups like the many times they were caught plagiarizing. But as for the game itself? * How much of the playerbase left because of tiered loot invalidating years of grinding right after an event like ROTN, not to mention vault space because of several sets of the same armor for different builds? * How many left when they found they had to do feats for loot their level in the raid and they couldn't craft any of it? * How many left because the portal invalidated like 80% of the game which they took almost a whole year to bring forward? * How many left because of the stupidly slow level progression that took until Ash and Iron to improve? * How about getting B tier rewards basically being impossible in matchmade PvE activities because they didn't adjust time and scoring correctly (like how tf were we supposed to complete Inverted Spire in 14 minutes on Master or Grandmaster when the old GMs always gave like 30-40+ minutes, or when there simply weren't enough enemies in other missions). How many left when the player population got so ridiculously low that they were A LOT more likely to face cheaters and complete tryhards who look indistinguishable from the aforementioned cheaters? Or lastly, how broken the pvp became as a result of the stat reworks. This is what happens when devs think they know better than the people who actually play their game.

I don’t hold it against you, I wanted to be wrong.

I still blame Pete Parsons .

They could have, but they didn’t manage anything. Everything since Edge Of Fate has been Bungie throwing an idea into the game and then apologizing for it. They never gathered real data from players. Every single email address with a Bungie account should have received an email after each content release. How many times have you seen a Tweet about a change that started with “Due to player feedback…”? How many of those times were you personally asked to give feedback? As a product Destiny 3 would have had zero risk. Bungie announces at the beginning of a month the Marathon will have free to play server slam at the end of a month. 146,000 people (On Steam) join. 89,000 people play on launch day. NetEase announces some kind of day 1 access to anyone who signs up. Their front page had a counter for sign ups. 10 MILLION people signed up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqC1WchwI84 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0S-yvICj-g

I mean Sony has yet to make a stable live-service game. They make amazing story games, but that’s about it. The writing was on the wall. Every time they touch one, it explodes. D2 was mismanaged to begin with, Sony was just the nail in the coffin.

I'm glad you can admit that to a whole bunch of internet weirdos, that don't really care anyway :) Cool

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