It's over, confirmed end date June 9th

I'll be honest. WishEnder & Micro are both in my top 5 most used . I appreciate your opinion if its for the purpose of debate/discussion... but the problem is when ppl come on the forums & start asking Bungie to change or replace certain weapons that *they* feel are outdated or pointless, while those weapons are actually cherished by other players. TLDR : plz Bungie dont mess with my Micro or WishEnder... I cant stand that dang LightSaber, but I understand that other ppl enjoy it, so ... live & let live.

* Black talon is meant to be a faster and stronger "caster" which almost no one uses. Probably most using casters are all using Ergo Sum on Solar so they can ignite on every cast. * Sturm works with Unfall. * Wish ender and Arbalest are meant to be the "F U" to anything with shields. * The only thing really holding Lumina back is it REQUIRES other people, so you're better off with Thorn in every other situation. * Prospector can delay it's explosions for a lot of burst damage and Im pretty sure is full auto * Two tailed fox can fire 3 rockets each with a different debuff applied and I'm pretty sure is one of the stronger exotic rocket launchers * Microcosm is a stronger trace rifle that also gets stronger when you use your super * Heartshadow is meant to be an assassin kind of exotic. * Darci will never be good if it remains a heavy weapon. Not every exotic is meant to be "good", and several only have ONE thing going for them. I mean look at Jade Rabbit, the exotic perk is absolutely worthless because it's encourages you to use the weapon correctly for 3 kills (9 rapid crits specifically, but same difference) so you can use it incorrectly for the fourth with no consequences. What does it have going for it? 60 aim assist when ALL other legendary 150 scouts range from 28-40 tops. * Some are only "good" because of one overtuned stat or another like Jade Rabbit, most if not all of those have a useless gimmick. * Some suffer a crippling weakness to make up for that strength like Last Word only doing full damage up to like 19 meters (rushing distance with any other close range weapon). * Some serve a specific purpose like Izanagi with it having one of if not the highest damage per shot in the game. * Some a specific type of fantasy like Heartshadow. * And others have a gimmick that's potentially really great, but suffers either another crippling weakness like the self damage on Touch of Malice or at least one stat that's way below what it's supposed to be like Sunshot having 20-30 LESS aim assist than ALL other (former) 150 hand cannons I'm a lot less concerned about how "outdated" a lot are due to their exotic perks and more how they've all been left in the dust stat-wise. I mean look at hand cannons nowadays. Every one you'll see in pvp has around 70-80 range before perks like Keep Away and 60-70 stability before perks like Perpetual Motion or Slideways. Hell, once that June update comes, I know how to craft a T5 Fatebringer with over 80 range and over 90 stability. Do you know the only disadvantage it has to a weapon like Rose? -1 aim assist and it not being a lightweight gun. Meanwhile, how much aim assist, stability, and range do all the other exotic hand cannons have and how many of them don't have one stupidly low stat or another in comparison to their archetypes or what players typically have on their weapons? * Ace for example has stats like a 120 and has the lowest AA of ALL 140s. * Hawkmoon has stats like a really good 150 but has the mag capacity of a 120, it at one point even had the impact of a 180 (benefitting from several of their buffs, they changed the impact in Witch Queen) but had the damage and recoil of a 140. * Crimson has one of the highest range and stability stats of all hand cannons, but has shorter fall off than a 180, the ttk and aim assist of a 140, and recoil like a 120 if it were a burst fire, but it's not technically a burst fire weapon which is the only reason I can think of why the 257s are easier to land full crits with at longer ranges with less stability and aim assist. At this point, especially with this game being on life support plugged into a faulty outlet that's powered by a low output generator, I'd say just buff every exotic into godhood. What is that going to break which isn't already being broken by like 10 legendary alternatives? Nothing is the correct answer.

Sturm works with the unfall rocket sidearm and is a monster with tec-sec, barriers can get one tapped with the overcharged rounds and 2pc tec-sec

Buddy, you're not wrong in your premise, just with your examples! Lumina- GOAT for DPS buffing. Heartshadow & Black Talon- Sneaky good with this Artifact. Without it, mid AF, but with it? Insane, just overshadowed by Praxic Blade BS Arbalest- Guaranteed shield break in 1 shot. Also with the right FT, you take advantage of the intrinsic Disruption Break and nuke enemies. Try it with A499....... Microcosm- Still insane Super regen and 'safe' damage. This Artifact goes hard with it if you run Kinetic Synthesis. It's good a variety of builds, chiefly Cenotaph (duh) and Storm's Keep Titan. There's numerous other garbage Exotics as you've mentioned. But those I just listed? Absolutely fine in this sandbox and naming them detracts from your argument. The over-abundance of Exotic HCs we have is quite sickening. Especially because so many are hot dogwater in PVE. Additionally, I can't think of one Exotic Auto Rifle, Shotgun or SMG that is pulling weight in this sandbox.

[quote]Sturm. This was made during the double primary era. With special ammo weapons, this is now kind of pointless. It only works with Drang (Baroque). Sure the extra damage is nice and it does actually load your special, but your special won't boost Sturm.[/quote] Got buffed with Ash and Iron. They also added a rocket sidearm that works with it now too.