I started before Forsaken and the game was all about the gunplay. No Specials, no infinite primary ammo. Just a simple Guardian with his Auto and Hand cannon, trying to accomplish his mission with the bullets he could carry. I loved it. it felt more tactical, Sit in the back and tap away. Bursting as to no waste ammo and going in for a melee kill just to save some ammo. Having ammo made it more challenging and it was fun. Funny how back when weapons had static rolls, they were more powerful than abilities. Seen over the years how abilities got more and more powerful, how weapons fell off. Really sad to see. Power creep after power creep. Weapons lasts for less or for just a season. Raids and Dungeon weapons being either weaker or equal to Strike or Portal weapons. Exotic weapons the supposed strongest weapons in the game, is nothing but a joke. Only a handful if even that, is worthy enough to be an Exotic. Lots of them just has the same perks as Legendary ones and nothing more. 2000+ weapons in the game and all i see is constant explosions from Grenades, Arc turrets and supers going off every encounter. Weapons were once used to kill your foes and now is nothing more than to just fill up your ability energy. The shooting has gone from this looter shooter. Why should i care about this new Exotic weapon that you designed a whole mission around ? Why should i care about your next Raid that you spent months on ? The Dungeon, the seasonal activity or pvp. When it is nothing more than something to look at ? My eyes might be deceiving me, but it looks like the loot is fading away, from this looter shooter. Seeing the same weapon model, the same perks, the same frames. Day in day out, and for what ? Because the glow reflecting of my abilities on it, looks good ? Why are we chasing designs instead of killing machines ? Yes please i would like a Levi's Shotgun, thanks. Maybe a Gucci Hand cannon whilst i am at it. Why bother with guns when all i have to do is just to eat my Grenade ? It is stronger than any raid weapon, so why not ? I will never understand how one can lose the shooting in a shooter game. We have way more weapons than we need and definitely more than we will ever use. It is not crazy to say that we probably only use 1% of all of those guns. Potentially even less as all of those 2000+ guns are not obtainable. You can enhance these weapons until they literally starts to fly. You can give them a different perk pool to were they are drowning in it. But what does that do ? Make it more comfortable in my hands ? Mow my lawn ? Do my taxes ?. Nothing is the answer. Turds don't go up in value because you spray painted it Gold. This is not to say that they can't kill or that they won't be used, but that is just it. They went from the main character to a cameo.