That's tru in pvp lvl don't matter IB not included but as u were saying for destiny being an mmo the max players that can be on the tower or on a planet is 16 and 2 in strikes 6 in raids and pvp I'm bringing this up because u said that since borderlands isn't an mmo it can only have 4 people at a time but there's alot more than 4 people playing borderlands even if u can't show it all at once. With that I'm certain 4 vault hunters can handle 16 guardians, and borderlands have more than just 4 kinds of races for enemies and bosses for each of em I'm pretty sure that only atheon and his time traveling stands s chance.

Yea, you are logically right, I guess what I was thinking is destiny's story explains that there are other guardians in the universe that are fighting against the darkness and how you should join the battle, where in borderlands, it doesn't matter how many people your playing co-op with it still refers to you as one person. So if we're talking about the universe the developers wanted to create, there can be infinite players in the destiny universe were there is really only suppose to be a couple vault hunters...

Yeah I c what your saying I know a max of about 20 vault hunters out of those about 14 maybe 18 were payable.