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originally posted in:Sapphire
10/5/2013 1:23:36 AM
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If Obamacare is a bad system, what should we do instead?
This question pertains to both those who feel the Affordable Care Act didn't regulate enough, and to those who say the act as a whole was bad.
Clearly and indisputably (and to make things easier I am going to write this paragraph in the context before the ACA), the United States is fast becoming the worst healthcare system in the world. We are the ONLY first world country WITHOUT universal coverage. Costs are increasing as well, [url=http://www.rwjf.org/en/about-rwjf/newsroom/newsroom-content/2008/04/cost-of-insurance-far-outpaces-income.html]the amount people who pay for health insurance increased 30 percent from 2001 to 2005, while income for the same period of time only increased 3 percent.[/url] At the same time, Americans have seen a huge drop in coverage.
If you don't like the individual mandate, how do you propose we get more people on health insurance to both increase the pool of buyers to lower costs and to spread coverage to those without care? A bigger controversy is the employer mandate requiring corporations to provide coverage to their full time employees. It doesn't harm small business, they're overcompensated with subsidies. [url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/09/25/wal-mart-returning-to-full-time-workers-obamacare-not-such-a-job-killer-after-all/]Even Forbes made an article on how Walmart is hiring more full time employees, despite the worry some companies would cut back hours.[/url] If you don't like the restriction of mandates, what would you do differently to solve the problem?
I'm making this thread because I know that most of you did not know there was an ever-worsening healthcare crisis in the United States. Further, you may buy into anti-Obamacare republican propaganda, but what are the republicans doing to solve the problem? So if they're not going to address the problem, what would you do to fix our healthcare system?
If you can't find your own solution, who are you to say that the ACA isn't beneficial to the current train wreck our healthcare system would have lead to were it not averted?
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7 RepliesAs an Englishman, I really think the US could do with Obamacare.
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Easy, we should make people pay for their own healthcare, or keel over and die.
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Make people get off their fat butts and work for health insurance themselves
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Already Obamacare has canceled existing coverage and done a lot of harm, both to the economy and to people in need of health care. And it is not right to force a product on someone, punishing people for not signing up was one of the worst things they could have done. A better solution would be to make it like a deposit box or a blood bank, spare change going into a hospital funding system, so that if someone needs treatment they can get it. There was a time when lawyers didn't get in the way of treatment. Health Insurance makes money because they used the law to make it so you couldn't get treatment without it. That is the definition of a corrupt company taking advantage of people, but for some dumb reason, everyone would rather be mad at McDonald's because of minimum wage. And there are hundreds of government programs that can be removed, there are so many things the government needs to step out of. And if weed was legal, we wouldn't be spending money ruining peoples lives over salad. Thus saving money, and hospitals could sell weed, making more money.
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Canadian healthcare
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M-muh free market!
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[quote]What should we do instead?[/quote] *Slaps chest with a limp wrist* LET DAH FREE MAHKUT DECID!
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Let's release a chemical that incinerates any form of paper money so we'll be forced to fall back to a trade & barter system. Two chickens a month for healthcare shouldn't be too hard to manage.
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I am so -blam!-ing glad I don't live in America.
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[quote]Die like a true American, in a hospital waiting room from a treatable disease[/quote] ~ Bobcats
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Obviously hate on gays and let a cheesecake run our country
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There is only one true replacement to healthcare systems, Hunger Games.
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good job Dustin, I didn't know if you had enough to pull another off.
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12 RepliesYou could always try this....
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Moderators please ban this imposter.
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7 RepliesI'm in support of it. 1. The ACA allows young adults up to 26 to stay on their parents insurance, something that three-in-four Americans support, even two-thirds of Republicans. [url=http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/march-2013-tracking-poll/]x[/url] 2. ACA bans insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, something that is supported by 83 percent of Americans. [url=http://ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=13012]x[/url] (PDF) 3. ACA offers tax credits to small businesses to buy insurance, something that 88 percent of Americans support, INCLUDING 83 percent of Republicans. [url=http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/march-2013-tracking-poll/]x[/url] 4. ACA requires companies with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance, something 75 percent of Americans support. [url=http://ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=13012]x[/url] (PDF) 5. ACA provides subsidies to help individuals afford coverage, something 76 percent of Americans support, including 61 percent of Republicans. [url=http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/march-2013-tracking-poll/]x[/url] 6. State-based health insurance exchanges, something 80 percent of Americans, which includes 72 percent of Republicans. [url=http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/march-2013-tracking-poll/]x[/url] [quote][/quote] [url=http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/]This is the article[/url] that I am quoting from, using their sources. It's a very very good piece, especially coming from a very anti-dem news source.
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1 Replylet the poor people die
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Laughter is the best medicine; so we use laugh at OP. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! sorry, i felt a little sickly there.
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2 RepliesDarkarrowcare
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Who bumped this crap?
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27 Replies[quote]the United States is fast becoming the worst healthcare system in the world. We are the ONLY first world country WITHOUT universal coverage. [/quote] This is a pretty tricky way of implying that a country MUST need universal healthcare in order to not be "The Worst". Out of the 196 countries on this planet, the US is going to be the worst because we don't have it universally? I take it getting healthcare in Myanmur is better than getting it in the US? Dustin: [i]"I am the Bone of my Bait."[/i]
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Canadacare.
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Solution: blow up the world
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9 RepliesThe United States is the world leader in healthcare innovation, due in large part to the for-profit model that most hospitals follow. Going single-payer would end that. I'm on the end of less government intervention.
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Edited by Elrond Hubbard: 6/11/2014 9:54:18 PM
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Single payer universal healthcare, baby. Medicaid for all. Hell, with the reforms under Obama, Medicare for all would also suffice but that's largely aimed at the over 65s. A basic level of healthcare provided by the state and private insurance to top up what the state won't cover? Best of both worlds. At the very least all A&E units should be state run because they will always run at a loss. Low risk, high profit procedures are what private companies want.
