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8/17/2022 7:36:48 PM
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Warlocks got shafted again in Arc 3.0

https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/51678 TL;DR Hunters got 7 paragraphs of info, a new super, and 3 new abilities Titans got 8 paragraphs of new info, no new super, and 7 new or reworked abilities Warlocks got 5 paragraphs (the least), 2 new abilities (the least), no new super (tied for the least), and their ionic traces is has now been ripped out and given to everyone. Honestly, I'm getting kinda tired of being shafted every time a new thing is announced. Chaos Reach still sucks. Stormcaller was combined and it sounds "better" on paper, but ask yourself, where was stormcaller ever useful to begin with? It's been a dead super for years, useful only in queenswalk when you're playing with LFG groups who can't kill enemies. Oh, but ionic blink and landfall together makes it better, you might say. Lol, there's nowhere to use it. Nobody needs add clear in lesser activities. Wading into a cloud of enemies in Master/GM level activities is still gonna get you killed, and it doesn't do any appreciable damage to bosses. It'll still be super easy to counter in PvP (and gambit if you try to use it as an invader) because its damage resistance is among the worst (I believe golden gun is the worst, but golden gun has range and OHK capabilities and stormcaller does not). Stormcaller is a tool without a job. No one needs it for anything. Chaos Reach was mentioned literally one time as an acknowledgement of its existence, so I'm not very confident that it'll get the buff it needs to be competitive. Imagine spending 7-9 seconds in a super and doing less damage than a 1-2 second thundercrash or a 3-4 second orpheus rig tether. Thanks for nothing. Goemags are already dead, so that's a super without a good exotic. Hunters get a cool new super to play with and Titan mains prove that death threats actually work with their new intrinsic "basically Twilight Garrison with some modifications" ability called Thruster. Titans and Hunters have a lot of new and reworked stuff to look forward to. What to Warlocks get? *checks notes*, an arc soul that'll shoot 1% faster, a slide melee that will 100% get you murdered in a GM, and Electrostatic Mind, an ability that will only be useful for dropping ionic traces for the more powerful hunters and titans in the party. Honestly, this sucks. Another 3.0 refresh, another giant dose of lame crap. It's dawnblade 3.0 all over again. I don't know why Bungo thinks that warlocks are happy with nova bombs and throwing grenades inside of a well when everyone is clearly asking for the same treatment hunters/titans got (new supers, reworks to how subclasses work). If you're a warlock main, you might as well change now. When the next subclass comes out, we're going to get shafted there too. Four FULL subclass reworks in 18 months, and warlocks STILL don't have a SINGLE DPS super that competes with orpheus rig tether, thundercrash with chest piece, blade barrage (with star eaters), and golden gun (celestial nighthawk or stareater scales). What did we get? More add clear, in a game where add clear is dummy easy. GG Bungo, thanks for nothing. I can't wait for your metrics people to be like "why isn't anyone playing warlock anymore". This is why. Arc 3.0 isn't a "rework", it's a mass nerf so your 50% hunter player base can feel even more powerful than they already are (and they'll comment and say some fake -blam!- BS like "we get shafted" when they literally don't).

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  • So you played with arc 3.0 early? Lucky you Or are you just assuming the class won't be good before it comes out? There has been many instances of this kind of whining and then whatever "bad" class turns out to be good. Wait before crying

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    • oh cry me a river stromcaller 2.0 was the most well rounded how do you improve on that? you kinda dont some of the new additions are nice and combine both top and bottom stormtrance into one is smart where in this are they being shafted? answer: no where your moaning for nothing but then again thats this community some folks moan for no reason on topic that have no reason to be moaned at

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      • Warlocks have always had better kits with more bonuses. All they did was give those bonuses to other classes. Warlocks have always had more unique abilities so it's pretty hard to come up with something new

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        • i suggest you refrain from making outburst posts on here. there's a lot of hyperbole and such in your post making it difficult to take you seriously. we will find out on the 23rd. see you next week.

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          • warlock mains complaining about arc 3.0 being mid before proceeding to make the most busted -blam!- ability spam build of all time

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            • I hunters are. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/261574033/0/0

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            • Bungie waaah my class didn’t get all what I wanted! It’s so awful ahh!!

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              • Storm caller has never suffered in PvP 🤦‍♂️ Warlock Solar 3.0 also isn’t bad. You’re just crying cause you’re bad

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                • Talkin g absolute rubbish... warlocks always get shafted! They have litterally been broken for void and solar 3.0 stole hunters blink in the first place amd now crying agai. 🤦‍♂️

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                  • the only thing those reworks show is how easy and good warlocks have it tbh

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                    • Edited by Tru-Zrue: 8/18/2022 2:56:30 AM
                      So because paragraphs weren’t huge, warlock aren’t going to be viable? Got it. 😑😒. Can we test the stuff out for a week before we start complaining. And no, one day of testing won’t cut it. Edit: wth is this English

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                      • I may have not seen it but what are the 3 new hunter abilities ? All I see is my bad old 3 melees... And the new super should Have been in the game since forsaken. Remember when titans got thundercrash, warlocks got kamehameha, and hunters could only spin their cryo poll for little to no effect ?

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                      • Warlock main...and no we didn't get screwed over. [quote][i]The Warlock’s whole thing is that being amplified modifies their abilities; it powers them up,” said Dunn. “For Ball Lightning, if you're amplified, the Arc ball will fly out and zap enemies three times instead of just the normal one time, so you can get more damage out of it. For Chain Lightning it chains to more targets.” More specifically, while normal Chain Lightning creates a single set of chains that bounce between a set of number of targets, when amplified, the ability creates two sets of chains, and can potentially jump to twice the number of enemies. Three Aspects will be available for Warlocks: Arc Soul: The Warlock casts a rift to create an Arc Soul that will assist the player in battle. Allies who pass through the rift will also earn an Arc Soul. The rift charges faster when allies are near. While amplified, any Arc Soul you have or gain is supercharged, increasing its rate of fire. Lightning Surge: The Warlock activates their melee while sliding to transform into a ball of lightning and teleport forward, calling down a field of lightning bolts at the exit point that jolts targets. Electrostatic Mind: Arc ability kills and kills on Arc-debuffed enemies create Ionic Traces. When you collect any Ionic Trace, you become amplified.[/i][/quote] Like they say in the jewelry business: [i]Nice things come in small packages. [/i] 1. The only thing that Arc Warlocks ever needed was a POWER boost. "Amplified" gives this too us in spades. 2. Not only does it give us "Blind" and "Jolt"...it also increases the power of our abilities. 3. We get access to the grenades that Titans and Hunters have, which are arguably better than those for Warlocks. 4. Arc Soul gets a rate of fire increase when Amplified. 5. Lightning surge sounds like its an "area-of-effect Shoulder Charge" for Warlocks, which is a whole new line of abitlites. 6. (And the best for Last) Ionic Trace. Get arc-ability kills, you get amplified. Combine it with Crown of Tempests and it also increases the recharge rate of your abilities, giving you more changes to become/stay amplified. As well as increase the duration of your super. Which you can then synergize with elemental wells and Charged with Light to increase your weapon damage and performance in tandem with Amplified. or you can even bring out the Seraph weapons and warmind Cells (assuming they syngergize with the chaining effects of other abilities. The limits are only those of your imagination.

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                        • Overreacting. Warlock arc has always been good while arc hunter has been bad and titan has been mediocre. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Last time they redid a subclass, y’all complained because they changed it too much. Now this time, y’all are complaining because they didn’t change it enough. SMH…

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                          • Warlocks always crying i love it!

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                            • I have absolutely had it with this, they keep stealing warlock abilities and give it to everyone and its not right and they had better roll it back. Yes warlocks should get Arc Web on their grenades and melees while amplified, is that what we are getting and clearly deserve after all the other classes changes, no it isn't. Because Jolt is now Arc Web and it is A FRAGMENT, A FRAGMENT FOR EVERY SINGLE CLASS. iNcluding the titans who got a new grenade enhancing aspect that was clearly meant for warlocks. So yes, Titans will have better grenades and arc web than the warlocks. They have stolen our only classic and good abilities and given them all to all the classes thus nerfing warlocks and I have had it. I am done with this is ridiculous, and I can only hope that there is enough backlash from warlock mains for bungie to see what they have done cos I am angry and disappointed and I know most other warlock mains are as well.

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                            • How do I unlock the arc 3.0? Is it a quest? I'm still on the old version.

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                              • [typical complaint post]

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                              • What do you mean by "Again"?

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                              • Literally no one is reading your comments about something that is not yet in the game.

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                                • Hunters got blink and a super cuz all 3 arc supers were the same that all they got every other thing that hunter got for arc is applicable to all three classes its not crazy or op it's the same hunter arc class with shared fragments across classes we had blink first so yeah we are getting it BACK not getting something new no new melee or ability one aspect is new but that's it titans got the good an arc warlocks are looking just fine too but no better or worse than hunter so if you are gunna complain complain about titans as the (slowest) class now has even more mobility options leaving hunters even farther behind as the slowest class in d2 every class is getting speed boosts warlock an titans are getting easy access to ion trace and all classes are getting acces to jolted this was a chance to make hunters the end all be all of mobility but the are middle of the pack at best now brought up only by blink otherwise they would be right back down at the bottom with the rest of hunter classes

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                                  • Your complaints here are warranted but misleading. We don't know what they are doing to chaos reach. We dont know what they are gonna do to stormcaller. We don't know how amplify or whatever they called it is gonna play out. We only know the surface level of the new abilities and not how they will play out. Because what good is juggernaut gonna do in gms? What good is thundercrash WITHOUT the exotic that makes it runnable? What good is knockout if punching enemies in hard content is a death sentence? What good is running fast in pve gonna do if 2/3 of them want to be in their face, which means death in hard content? Who cares how new the striker melee is if it's a melee in pve that wants you to be grounded and CHARGE IT UP. If you are gonna be angry about practicality without knowing quite literally anything besides the surface changes they made...then don't get upset about the others when they can be just as impractical if not worse.

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                                    • To early to say this. Wait for it to actually come out .

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                                    • Bro write a book in stuff he hasn't played Wait till it's out ... You just looking bad in front of everyone

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                                      Try it first , remember how bad Hunter Void 3.0 sounded on paper

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