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6/26/2022 10:32:41 PM
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SBMM Something the Crucible Desperately needs Back

TLDR; I’ve been around for a long time in the Destiny Crucible and we need SBMM. The arguments against it are relatively moot points. It worked fine in the past so why was it changed. Bring it back for the average player who doesn’t have hours to play everyday to bash their head against a wall to improve. So I made a post about a year ago, speaking for myself and much of the Destiny community in its desire for a return to SBMM. I know how controversial the topic is, and I will probably be blasted in the comments below like before, but it needs to be said. My last post was responded to by a DMG who stated they were monitoring the crucible and it’s situation and looking for ways to improve the experience. I am once again asking for Bungie to consider a SBMM system. Many common complaints or arguments against the system include but are not limited to it induces lag (not so much a problem with modern hardware), it makes matchmaking slower (true but in favor of fairness), and it makes matches sweatier. The last point is usually the defense most players use to hide behind when arguing against the system as every match for them would be a sweat fest or that everyone would sweat all the time. I would argue that is the point, you grind and push yourself to grow better at the game, something hard to do when outmatched. A player in skill brackets will of course sweat against players of equal skill, because they are equal, it won’t be easy. Currently the method of dividing teams doesn’t always work well either, as the draft pick can severely kneecap a team if a player is in the right skill zone, because it splits the teams in such a way that the captains are the top 2 players and if the rest of the lobby is imbalanced it can lead to lopsided matches despite best efforts. I’ve also heard just play comp if you want SBMM. That’s a scary mode for new players who don’t understand what crucible is, and as a whole is a completely unrewarding system for glory ranks. Trials after the rework was good until they told players about flawless lobbies, which now players avoid like the plague because they want to win countless games for no reason and wait to go to the lighthouse last minute. I know many will hate this take, will attack myself and anyone who agrees, but seriously it’s just a game, games are meant to be fun and balanced. As the crucible stands now it’s not what I would call fun for most. For myself I find the crucible increasingly frustrating, most matches feel like I’m beating my head on a brick wall, especially in trials when in a weekend it takes me an average of 10 matches to get even 1 win. I have found lobbies where I am severely outmatched in all sections of crucible, and I think back fondly to SBMM before it was removed in post Shadowkeep. Bungie I am again asking please try it again. It worked in the past and games generally were fine back then, even as far back as D1. It makes no sense we have it in one mode that no one plays anymore because there’s no incentive, the wider crucible needs it back.

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  • solo freelance or anything as long as i don't match 6 stacks flawless title, flawless emblem trials adept weapon stomppers. THE WHOLE DAY. and 0 usable riptide drops.

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  • Sweatlord streamers cried really hard for it to be removed until Bungie relented. The result was a plummet in the numbers of people going into Crucible. Less than 10% of in game activity is Crucible now. But because the sweatlords need to pad their KDs by rinsing people of lower skill, they keep pushing Bungie to not add it back. DMG has said that they've gotten A LOT of negative feedback and also said removing SBMM severely damaged the coding of the game. But they keep catering to streamers because they make them money. It's disgusting.

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  • Edited by Talia Sendua: 6/30/2022 3:18:16 PM
    [quote]For myself I find the crucible increasingly frustrating, most matches feel like I’m beating my head on a brick wall, especially in trials when in a weekend it takes me an average of 10 matches to get even 1 win. I have found lobbies where I am severely outmatched in all sections of crucible, and I think back fondly to SBMM before it was removed in post Shadowkeep.[/quote] I agree. People often say "you can't improve with SBMM in the game" which is wrong. I went from a 0.3 K/D player in Destiny 1 to a 1.5 K/D player. In Destiny 2 my performance was always better when SBMM was around and always unstable when CBMM was around. It is as I so often said. If you look at players in Crucible like 2 people playing chess against each other, one is new to chess, the other is a world championship grandmaster... The new player will learn nothing but defeat in all the matches against the grandmaster player.

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  • What a maroon.

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  • It'll never come back because it would kill the cbmm modes if bungie brought it back In too 6s. Our so called high skilled players only wanna play if they can match timmy no thumbs.

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  • some might say ive played my fair share of pvp. its laggy when it’s cbmm. please do not go back to sbmm and make it an absolute teleporting torture fest

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  • SBMMs entire point is to enforce a 50/50 WL ratio. Its a manipulative algorithm that has no place in gaming. Go look at what it did to CoD and Halo Infinite. Both games are unfun and terrible. Im garbage at Destiny, I dont need SBMM to ruin my day. Ill take fighting players like Wallah and ZK 15 trials games in a row over that filth.

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    • Not at the cost of even more lag or longer que times

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    • My main problem with 6v6 being CBMM and 3v3 SBMM is, that I can't play a single 6v6 playlist as SBMM and not a single 3v3 playlist as CBMM (except Trials but that doesn't really count). All I, as a mediocre PvP player want, is that we get 1 6v6 SBMM playlist that [b]ISN'T [/b]the main playlist Control (I recommend using Rift as game mode for it!) and 1 3v3 CBMM playlist that [b]ISN'T [/b]the main playlist Survival (I recommend using D1 Salvage as game mode for it!)

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    • I just went through my most recent matches on my alt and there are several matches where I had 20+ kills and lost by double-digits because all of my teammates - all of them - were career 0.5 or 0.7, like one guy's best game - yes I looked - was 10-19-5 ... and that's the second-best player on my team. Meanwhile, my opponents were all career positive players, with at least respectable ELO. I then join-in-progress a mercy match to get my "win" and I'm back to getting stomped for the next three matches. This experience sucks.

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    • Edited by hermetpermit: 6/28/2022 10:30:36 AM
      So your bad and want it made easyer. Got it.. No. Just look at comp. It's a grave yard and why do you think that is?

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      • Most of you don’t understand how miserable it was for the above average to 1%. I quit during SBMM because my que times were insane, matches were 10x more laggy than they are now, cheaters frequently, and my lesser skilled friends didn’t want to play with me because of my lobbies. I wish we had true CBMM and not this lobby balance -blam!-. True CBMM is technically the most fair because it just grabs a bunch of randoms and throws them on team. The match is a complete coin flip for how it will go. Also, if you truly care about getting better, facing better players will improve you much quicker. It’s what I’ve done in any game I wanted to get better in

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        • I love how none of you talk about the constant disconnects from sbmm did 3 comps every match atleast one peron was kicked that was just in one hour.

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        • Ok I def did not read any of that but I def noticed u are only brave 2 and complaining about wanting skill based matchmaking . 🤣

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        • I just don't know if the crucible population is there for SBMM. They definitely need to fix their lobby balancing. It's total trash.

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          • No it just needs a fix for the -blam!- lobby balancing.

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          • I hate to be that kind of guy, but there is a SBMM mode and you aren‘t playing it. So why do you want it for every other game mode?

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              You’re high. No! Sbmm ruins the game. Plain and simple.

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              • There's no reason why we can't have a sbmm as an option you can click on. Bungie did it all the way back in Halo 3. They can do it in destiny no doubt.

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              • Servers are garbage

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              • It’s getting ridiculous! Stupid morons at bungie need to fix this now!

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              • Oh it's there for sure. Lobby balancing the way it does proves it

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              • There is a ranked playlist that uses sbmm. Ya don’t play it because [i]you[/i] want an easy game. Just like those stacked pros you whine about. Play glory and you won’t face them. Jeez, y’all just want the red carpet rolled out for you every time you play pvp.

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                • if Bungie would bring back SBMM then we would desperately need DEDICATED SERVERS…

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                • Total Destiny Registered Players in 2022 In 2022, our record shows that there are over 900,000 total registered players on Destiny and 15% of that number are playing daily. I found this quote from an article

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                • Absolutely not. Sbmm was a sh1tshow every time it was attempted and should NEVER return to [u]any[/u] degree. You want sb? Head for comp, oh wait that playlist and elim are graveyards thanks to sb....

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