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Few questions for you Lore Masters

Ehy Guardians of the Archives, I was wondering a couple of things I hope you may help me to understand better. Here's my questions: 1) [b]What about the Speaker now? [/b]The Speaker seemed to be a very important figure in the history of the City and also of the Vanguard. It's been years we lost the Speaker and no one has still replaced him. Does anything point that we're gonna have another one in the future? Or Bungie simply get rid of this figure like with the Factions? 2) [b]Is Caiatl considered to be beatiful among the Cabals?[/b] I know Cabals worth strenght, courage ecc but I was wondering what about beauty and if Caiatl was considered attractive as Cabal or not. I know this isn't important, it's just more a curiosity of mine. 3) [b]Could Fynch become the new Ghost of Osiris replacing Sagira?[/b] Since Fynch revived a Hive Knight and not a human being, could it be possible for him now to revive a human or to actually become the Ghost of Osiris waking him up from his coma? The idea for this came up in my mind by thinking to the Ghost of Jaren Ward that then became the Ghost of Shin Malphur. This means that Ghosts can have more the "one Guardian" in special circumstances and since Fynch wants to become part of the Vanguard and help us Guardians... you know, a thing calls for another. Thanks for all your answers in advance =)
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  • If Fynch should go save anyone and be their ghost it’s cayde

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    • 1.) The Speaker lost his innate ability to speak to the traveler early on, and had to wear a special mask which was destroyed in the Red War. If someone can speak to the Traveler, they may not know it, so there might be a possible Speaker that we haven't found yet. Although the Traveler has been much more active since the Red War. 2.)The Cabal have no concept similar to human beauty. They have lost the need to procreate with the cloning process, although many do anyway. (Caiatl is a naturally born Cabal being as far as we know.) The Cabal value strength as the primary criterion for an attractive mate or comrade. (Hence why Caiatl is very impressed by Lord Saladin's and Zavala's military prowess. 3.) It is possible that Osiris could gain another ghost, but not Fynch really. Fynch's bond to his Knight must be severed for him to take on another guardian. This would likely be done by soul absorption with something like Thorn or possibly the Heart of Oryx. Either might work for such an exorcism.

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      • 1) Speakers had special powers, and would dream that the traveler "gave" to them. What we need to do is waiting for some other person with these dreams to appear. 2) We dont know, because we have no idea of what is beautiful or not for the cabal. 3) yeah, it could happen.

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      • 1. The speaker had special abilities, and all other speakers are dead. (Read constellations lore book for more on speaker.) 2. She's probably considered beautiful because of her strength and courage. 3. Ghosts can switch, happened twice that I know of, but I don't think they can switch to a former lightbearer. Probably why Eris doesn't have a new ghost either.

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        • 1. A Speaker is a man in a mask claiming to “speak” for the Traveler who usually pushed the agendas of the Consensus. So yeah, I guess literally anyone could fill the role. 2. Caiatl is the most beautiful of beautiful Cabal women. I will hear no contradictory statements. 3. Sure. It can happen. Ghost’s have had multiple owners before. I don’t see why not.

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          • I want to touch on the first one really, you can read the other comments about the ability. Could you imagine having visions accurately depicted, and said visions come to fruition...all the time? (This is going to be an Osiris reference take what you will from it) One time, you spoke it and had shown a path to follow, only this time it ends in disaster. You do it again, ends in problems; you become vague, but reference heavily, and this often turns into success. You create Deja Vu moments. We are on a path, it's in the title, many just see the final shape as the guardian because of paracausality, yet something allowed that definition to exist...even amongst oryx...the final shape is the moment [End|Beginning|END], and since this path is new, for many reasons (strangers story ended, saint-14 alive) and time is set on another path after having been shattered (vog after the death of their God, vog after time was shattered (vog = times conflux, where time merged)). But I still see the path, though in the end, there will still be a choice.

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          • 1. Speakers were people with a special sensitivity that allowed them to receive vague visions from the Traveler. The last Speaker didn’t have the gift but instead made his mask that allowed him to get those visions. So technically, anyone could fill that role if they have the mask. Currently, there was a hint that a new Speaker is alive. I believe someone is looking for the candidate. Crow is a possible one, as he’s been reached out to directly. The visions weren’t really that helpful. It speaks to people so vaguely, it’s almost pointless. Another Speaker will come up in the future, likely in the lead up to finally meeting the Gardner. 2. Hard to say without cultural references points, it’s whatever you make of it. A society that prizes strength and competence would value those along with appearance. 3. While the instances of a Ghost having more then one Guardian are too few given the number of Ghosts without Guardians to say with certainty, it’s possible. It’d be an easy narrative step, sure, but I find there are way more instances of them not finding a second. But like you said, plot device.

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            • 1) Our last speaker is dead and we haven't found a new one yet. Speakers have a 'gift' that allows them to interpret the Traveler through dreams/visions. TBH we just don't need one right now and I doubt we see a new Speaker unless the story calls for it. 2) I don't think this is mentioned but I really doubt the Cabal would care about outward appearances. Not because 'they ugly' but their entire culture is different from ours. Put simply they value different things. 3) Become a different Guardian's Ghost? Yeah. Its rare but ghost's have changed owners. I recall a story about a warlord who's ghost refused to revive him and went searching for a new guardian and then there's Shin. IDK about becoming Osiris's ghost though. That would be a first.

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