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All DLC is platform specific due to you purchasing a license to access the dlc through a platform. As such, you will need to repurchase all DLC on Steam. Note: Season passes are account based, not platform based.
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That's... then.. that just doesn't make sense. Why even use Cross-save then??
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cross save lets you use one set of characters. games, dlc, are controlled by the platforms. they do not transfer.
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Cross-save enables you to use your platform bound characters across all platforms. For example, I have cross-save enabled so that I can use my Steam characters on PlayStation and Xbox if I want. Like I said, DLC are platform specific. Namely, you have to purchase a platform specific license to access DLC content through that platform. This is the same model all multi-platform games use. It does not make sense that Steam would honor your purchase with Microsoft. Seasonal content is different as Bungie manages that access through the season pass system, which is why it is account based instead of platform based.
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Can Bungie not tell when you've accessed that content previously? The content is already in the game, I have already purchased it, Valve and Micrsoft would only be the problem if I had to download all of those files. If that makes sense. The same as if I loaded my account on a friends Xbox. He may not have downloaded those dlcs, but I'd still be able to access the content since it's already in the game, since the game is live. No sense in defending this particular instance of the practice simply because "Other games do it." It's outright silly to think Bungie can't tell whether or not a specific account has previously purchased and accessed the content in their game.
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By the same token, wouldn't other games be able to tell if you accessed the DLC content before? Again, this is not something Bungie has any say or control over as Bungie does not handle the DLC licenses. DLC licenses and the access they grant are under the control of the platforms. The only way to get this to change is to convince Valve, Sony, and Microsoft to honor each others' licenses, which will never happen.
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Destiny is a LIVE game. As in, the content comes prepackaged. The only thing you buy is a key. And I know Bungie can track that because the achievements track cross-platform.
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What does being a live game matter? You bought a license to download and access content on a specific platform. That does not enable you download and access that same content on another platform. Why would you think that it does? Why would Steam know or care about what licensed access you have on Xbox? Also, since it was not presented yet, here is Bungie's page on [url=https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049498031-Destiny-2-Cross-Save-Guide]Cross Save[/url]. Please note the following section: [quote]DLC Licenses and Cross Save DLC licenses, such as Beyond Light or Shadowkeep, do not transfer between platform accounts with Cross Save. Players who wish to access DLC on platforms they play on will need to purchase that DLC on that platform.[/quote]
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It being live is the exact reason why this makes so little sense. If the game were like, for example, Skyrim, where the content you download as DLC isn't in the game until you download it, I'd have 0 problem with this. But Destiny is a live game, so the content you get from dlc's doesn't need to be downloaded, as it comes from the updates. It has nothing to do with Steam or Xbox. I am aware of the policy; I disagree with it. Whatever, it isn't worth arguing over it, you clearly can't see the problem, or simply don't want to.
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That is completely ridiculous and extremely anti-consumer.
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I agree. It is crazy that I had Die Hard on DVD but now that I've made the switch to all digital, I can't download it for free.
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False Equivalency
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Lol how is that? You just refuse to admit that is how ridiculous your complaint is. It's OK. You can admit it.
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Destiny isn't tied to a disk in this day and age. It's digital, 100%. Your argument would make a little more sense if this weren't the case. Because all of that information is stored digitally, and the fact that I've ALREADY PURCHASED AND USED THAT DIGITAL CONTENT, I shouldn't have to re-purchase it. It's an absurd concept, and I have no clue why you, a consumer, are defending it. Are you comfortable spending $80 TWICE on a single game? A single game with a feature built in that lets you access your characters from any device. If this were 2010, and it was actually tied to a disc, I'd agree with you. But it isn't, is it? Don't make a fool out of yourself more than you already have. Save the attitude and be honest with yourself.
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Make a fool out of myself? Lol you should look in the mirror. If I buy the digital version of COD on PS, why can't I also play it for free on XBox? If I buy Dune on Amazon digitally, why do I have to pay to watch it through YouTube? If I buy a song on iTunes, why do I have to pay for it on YouTube Music? If I buy a book through the Nook, why do I have pay for it to read it on a Kindle? You clearly have no idea how capitalism works. The platform it is through gets a cut so as you have already been told by others multiple times, go complain to Valve about them wanting to get their cut.
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Edited by Sir Exo XII: 1/13/2022 6:48:35 AMYou fail to see the issue again because you are using other games as an example. We aren't discussing COD, we're discussing Destiny. You have one Bungie account across all platforms, and you use one set of characters across all platforms. If you are unable to see the issue with then needing to purchase every dlc on every platform individually despite using a single account across all platforms, then I worry for your wallet, and those you are responsible for. Additionally, of course I know how capitalism works. You must not if you think paying for the same thing twice is good for your wallet. Like buying a house, then buying a separate A/c system for each room. It's the same house, so you only need one A/c unit. And yet, you are insisting that you need one for each room because... they said so. Further, You once again use a false equivalency. You purchase Dune on Amazon on one device. Guess what. You can watch it on another device so long as you use the same Amazon account. Same exact thing here. It should be possible at the very least to avoid purchasing it on each device seeing as how you use one single Bungie account on all devices.
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What is ridiculous is that you are using the fact that Bungie introduced cross save to say that you should get content on another platform. Your absolutely ludicrous argument is that 2 years ago before cross save, you should have had to pay for it. Now you shouldn't have to pay for it. The only thing your ridiculous claim supports is that Bungie should remove altogether the ability to cross save so people don't use it against them with this sense of entitlement. I know your kind though. You'd just find some other reason to try and get it for free if that happened. You fear for me with my wallet because I am willing to pay for a product that was created by people who are paid? Oh man, I fear for the sanity of those around you who have to deal with your illogical reasoning. On that note, I fear for my own sanity with your circular argument and will now just mute you. Enjoy your crying I guess.
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Bro I bet you eat bananas horizontally quit your unrelated yapping
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Well, that's an easy mute. Peace.
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Edited by Sir Exo XII: 1/13/2022 7:03:07 AMYou didn't address the argument, so I'll quote you: "You just refuse to admit that is how ridiculous your complaint is. It's OK. You can admit it." What an insufferable moron. Is it REALLY that hard to understand? Or is it just cognitive dissonance? I used his own example with Amazon, which is really the closest analogy I've seen so far, so good on him, in a strange way. Somehow, this turned into consumer vs. consumer. I didn't intend this. I just wanted to point out how silly this sale scheme is. Like purchasing an audiobook from audible on your account, then needing to purchase the same book again simply because you're on a different device, even though you're using the same account. How can you both acknowledge the digital age of media, and deny it in the same argument? A feat to be sure, though one that is entirely born out of stupidity.
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Get with REAL life. Basic one oh one. You bought the dlc from Microsoft who took a percentage of the money you paid (on average 30%). This is how they make money not from console sales which they get a few pennies after costs. Then you go to Steam. They are in a worse state because they have no console or PC sales to fund them ONLY GAME SALES. Now you come along wanting to play D2 and to get a license you have to pay them (again 30%) and they don't care that you paid Microsoft they want their money... and they don't care about giving you a discount as you had it elsewhere. This goes for Sony and Stadia so if Bungie did offer you free access on any platform (remember 30% of the money you paid is to each platform) Bungie would LOSE 20% of the games cost per player. Bungie is a business. It takes years of time and effort by whole teams of content creators and programmers who need to be paid and given the support they need (computers, office space, so on) to do their job. This costs money that Bungie needs to recover and to use to make future content so needs to make money not lose it. So stop crying. It is you who decided to play on a different platform so you should expect the costs of doing so. And this covers all paid games and dlc from ANY game studio (free to play games get their money other ways).
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That is up to the licence holders. Bungie did not sell you the licence... Sony / Microsoft / Steam sold it to you. You wouldn't buy a toaster at bestbuy, then try and return it at target. When you buy a licence for a game on a platform you are buying the licence for that system. Anti-Consumer Definition of anti-consumer : not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumers anti-consumer practices. By that deffinition, its Sony / Microsoft / Steam that are anti consumer if you want to rant and rave about it, since they're the ones that supply the software to you.
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How on EARTH did you read my one sentence as a rant.. Get over yourself.
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[quote]How on EARTH did you read my one sentence as a rant.. Get over yourself.[/quote] [u][i] if you want to rant and rave about it[/i][/u]
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Again, this is how it's been for awhile. Since the platforms control the DLC access licenses you need to purchase the license on each platform. If you don't like it then you'd have to take that up with Valve, Sony, and Microsoft as Bungie does not have any say in platform licenses.
