Just don't even try, you just summon the trolls and sweats with this post. Get a popcorn and watch and laugh as trials dies again because low population as the result of constant gatekeeping. Let the sweats fight with sweats and cheaters. Or if you think you are good enough then try and try until you can do it.

Well, one thing is absolutely clear: card based matchmaking doesn't work. You often find yourself playing your first game against a team that just got flawless and reset their card (which, technically, should be their 8th+ game?) or a team that's farming first games (which shouldn't be possible to begin with). They could just use SBMM but then, lag would be unbearable. You could face rivals that are better than you AND who you can't hit due to connection issues, which is so frustrating. So... CBMM, right? Not exactly. One card you could face 7 clueless teams (yay!), the next one you might not be able to win a single round, which is just as frustrating. It doesn't have an easy solution. I'm certain Bungie is not filled with fools and they are actively trying to improve the system but, as a rule of thumb, it should be CBMM first, SBMM second. Whatever system they end up with, it must provide a challenging but fair environment.

There’s apparently plans to change trials matchmaking, making it easier to get 5 wins, loot structure, and a way for solos to get in (note: it’s not freelance). next season I think. But if I’m being perfectly honest, even with all of these changes, I still have no intention of joining in trials. I can’t expose myself to a playlist that’ll just have teammates tell me bad and I should suicide. I don’t think any person here can give me a legitimate reason why I should even try a single game:

It’s not just trials. It’s all of PvP! Bungies lame lobby balancing algorithm just absolutely kills any chance of players getting half competent teammates. It’s a poor man version of Indirect SBMM. It’s not true CBMM. CBMM is where they pull 12 players together and let them play where they drop. Now it’s find 12 players take the best player in said lobby and put them with the absolute worst players. So either fully turn the old SBMM where we’re all sweating our ballz off or make it truly Connection based PICK ONE OR THE OTHER Because this sh!t Manipulation ain’t working.

Trials is just busted in general. Bungie wanted a game mode for Elite players to flex but at the same time think they could encourage average to below average players to play it as well. There is no way to make both sides happy on this IMO. Nobody wants to play a game mode that makes victory feel hopeless for them or isn't rewarding for the amount of time spent playing. With that said Trials isn't going to change and IMO will be pulled within a year.

[quote]My problem is, that I want to get better, while playing with my friends. But if 9/10 trials matches are against people with flawless and/or Unbroken and several adept weapons, theres just no "experience" to be had to grow my skill off of.[/quote] Don't forget the three stack of revenants!

I’m not sure what’s happening this weekend but it always match make me with the same 5 teams and my connection bar is always below half It’s very laggy

But then players who can actually go flawless then hit a decline where they reverse boost just to get easier lobbies, so in turn the game would remain roughly the same. I get it, in a way why lower skilled players kinda think skill based matchmaking in trials would make it better but it wouldn’t. Because trials isn’t that kind of game mode. So to put it into perspective, let’s say just now I’m a 0.5 0 flawless all that, now sbmm is in place, so as I get kinda better my lobbies do, now it’s actually harder to go flawless. And as my stats and me play better, it’s less and less likely I’ll win 7 games. So I turn to a recov, a 2.5 now playing in 0.8 lobbies, it’s asking for recovs to run even more than they are. Alternatively, let’s say I’m a 2.6. I don’t wanna match 2.0s all the way to flawless no way, so I reverse boost to a 0.5, and straight away I go flawless. I think more players playing the game mode would help, it always does. And I think cbmm would also help because then, you don’t get that steep hill after 4/5 wins. You could have the sweatiest games at 1/2, 5, or none. Every player has a chance then to get lucky on a card and go flawless. But with card based like we have, each win the player pool is smaller, and there’s far more chance you’re getting a stacked team. Don’t get me wrong, sbmm has its place. It should be in comp because not everyone is cuewed as equal in there, some have higher glory some have lower some have great kds and whatever. But trials is where everyone is on the same block. So if it’s a chance to getting loot you want, I hope you can understand why it’s cbmm thag would actually help. Not sbmm.

I didn’t step into trials until I had enough experience. Start with comp l.

Jumping off the map is easier than trying.

[quote]Im fully aware of the people that will come after me for posting this. I dont have a problem with general balancing. Destiny will alaways be a game that is unbalanced to some degree and thats part of what seperates it from your "generic competitive shooter". My problem is, that I want to get better, while playing with my friends. But if 9/10 trials matches are against people with flawless and/or Unbroken and several adept weapons, theres just no "experience" to be had to grow my skill off of. Why cant we matchmake people to a similar skill level. SKill Based matchmaking exists and if its currently active, I dont see it working the way it should. I dont want free loot, I dont want easy adept weapons. Adept gear should be a flawless thing with bragging rights. But to me, only playing it for the endgame bounty just isnt fun. I want to have a chance to earn that cool armor and weapons. Just make it accessible. Please.[/quote] Trials isn't the "practice" it's the test bro. Play lots of matches in Crucible and Comp, then head to Trials 💯

It can be hard to be coordinated and decisions have to be made at the right time and positioning has to be right. It's really tough to do for people that can't think quick.

So how about thsse Shriekers in gambshit hey,...

[quote]My problem is, that I want to get better, while playing with my friends.[/quote]Trials is not for getting better - it's the superbowl of destiny. Not your practice mode. [quote]But if 9/10 trials matches are against people with flawless and/or Unbroken and several adept weapons, theres just no "experience" to be had to grow my skill off of.[/quote]See above, those players are for whom lighthouse was intended. You can improve off survival or normal pvp. [quote]Why cant we matchmake people to a similar skill level. SKill Based matchmaking exists and if its currently active, I dont see it working the way it should.[/quote]No sbmm was a huge failure all 3 times it was implemented in D2 and it certainly should never come to trials - how does mm that pushes all players to a 50% win rate work with a mode that's ultimate reward is winning 7 games consecutively? Not to mention how recovs would skyrocket compared to today since sbmm would ensure even average players on thier low tier friends accounts could go flawless easily. [quote]I dont want free loot, I dont want easy adept weapons. Adept gear should be a flawless thing with bragging rights. But to me, only playing it for the endgame bounty just isnt fun. I want to have a chance to earn that cool armor and weapons. Just make it accessible. Please.[/quote] It is accessible, it's just not a practice session. By asking for the game to make your competition easier you are in fact asking for participation rewards.