SBMM is an every kid gets a trophy mentality. When I first made the switch from PC to Xbox 360 back when COD World at War released, I didn't have some fruity matchmaking system to protect me. For the entire year of WaW I was getting used to a controller, and I don't believe I ever had more than 10 kills in a single game.  I just kept playing to get better because I enjoyed the game.  If you want to get good, then put in the time and effort to get better.  That was the mentality before all this sissy matchmaking talk entered the conversation. People simply lie because they are terrible at the game and they want to only face easy lobbies. All these people who go on about how top players are ruining their games.  There is an extreme bottom % of players and an extreme top, and the other 90% of us are all in the middle.  There aren't enough top players to ruin your game. What did we do back in the day when good players were in our lobby?  We got our ass handed to us and tried to learn as much as we could.  We went on with our day.  We didn't cry for matchmaking to protect us.  We came from Counter Strike back in the day, Day of Defeat, Battlefield.  Look at Battlefield now.  Where is SBMM in Battlefield?  There isn't anything like it because it's server based.  You don't get protected.  If you want to get good, you be a man and put in the time and effort. Crucible has done a lot better since they got rid of SBMM because SBMM is cancer. A ranked matchmaking system should not be in an unranked mode.  It's a pick up mode. If you are terrible at the game and you don't want to face people who are better than you, then join Survival which has SBMM.  Oh, but you don't want to do that, do you?  So you sit around playing 3 hours of crucible a month and you want the matchmaking to cater to you. "My lobbies are full of top players."  Funny how when we look at your opponents, they are just average like the vast majority of us.

SBMM is an every kid gets a trophy mentality. When I first made the switch from PC to Xbox 360 back when COD World at War released, I didn't have some fruity matchmaking system to protect me. For the entire year of WaW I was getting used to a controller, and I don't believe I ever had more than 10 kills in a single game. I just kept playing to get better because I enjoyed the game. If you want to get good, then put in the time and effort to get better. That was the mentality before all this sissy matchmaking talk entered the conversation. People simply lie because they are terrible at the game and they want to only face easy lobbies. All these people who go on about how top players are ruining their games. There is an extreme bottom % of players and an extreme top, and the other 90% of us are all in the middle. There aren't enough top players to ruin your game. What did we do back in the day when good players were in our lobby? We got our ass handed to us and tried to learn as much as we could. We went on with our day. We didn't cry for matchmaking to protect us. We came from Counter Strike back in the day, Day of Defeat, Battlefield. Look at Battlefield now. Where is SBMM in Battlefield? There isn't anything like it because it's server based. You don't get protected. If you want to get good, you be a man and put in the time and effort. Crucible has done a lot better since they got rid of SBMM because SBMM is cancer. A ranked matchmaking system should not be in an unranked mode. It's a pick up mode. If you are terrible at the game and you don't want to face people who are better than you, then join Survival which has SBMM. Oh, but you don't want to do that, do you? So you sit around playing 3 hours of crucible a month and you want the matchmaking to cater to you. "My lobbies are full of top players." Funny how when we look at your opponents, they are just average like the vast majority of us.

Its very toxic rn. If you see amount of hatemail and Tbagg im getting lately because of using NF in QP against stacked is ridiculous.Im not Stassis ,fusion nor shotgun rushing guy.

I agree. How do you convince the elite to agree to a system change, though?

I mean no offense to you here of course, but I have a hard time understanding anyone who asks for anything that resembles SBMM. Look at me for example. Two seasons ago my overall K/D in Trials was like a 1.2. It is now a 1.4 and my overall Trials K/D just for this season is a 1.7. On Endless Vale my K/D for the weekend after over 120+ matches was 2.0. And that's Trials. That's with zero card resets unless we lost. That's trying to go flawless (or just helping clan mates get three wins) every time. Why? Because I decided I wanted to improve [i]so I did[/i]. Any I faced plenty of teams who were far better than I was. Granted most of them immediately pulled out the swords after they lost a round and I lost all motivation to play, but still. I wanted to get better, so I did by facing players better than me. I don't understand why others aren't willing to do the same. Outlier protection is a good idea if that's where you're headed. That's fine. If someone is so far out of your league you can't learn from them, okay. But strict SBMM isn't the answer.

I main Titan arc top tree with mida and a side arm, have done since d2 dropped and I wanted a change from the bunny rabbit on meth game style.. warlocks are just pve for me.. what am saying is I play solo 99% of the time and do quite well, apart from the stacked felwinters mob pop up in my game.. just keep moving in quick play and never ever stop looking at your mini map see if anyone comes side on. And if all else fails just shoulder charge the shit out of people

Welcome to Crucible. This is the biggest argument in Destiny fandom. Everyone has a different solution. Bungie keeps switching us from skills-based matchmaking to connection-based matchmaking, always leaving one camp unhappy. My solution: give us a choice for the main playlist (currently Control). Elimination is SBMM, so once you get used to playing, you could jump into that mode and play your own peer group. (Though there is debate about this) Survival is also SBMM, but it would be hardcore to begin your Crucible experience there.

I’d recommend you play the Glory playlist. It’s a 3v3 death match with limited respawns each round. It has a freelance mode so no co-ordinated teams. Because there’s fewer players it’s not nearly as hectic as 6v6 so it will give you more breathing room and there will be less abilities to deal with. It’s one of the only SBMM playlists so the odds of meeting high-skilled players is greatly reduced. If you’re looking for tips to improve, try checking out Ascendant Nomad on YouTube for some very helpful content.

1st of all, it’s not you. Bungie expects all of us to be PvP masters squeezing the motes out of our controllers and sweating like a streamer with 5 likes and two subscribers. 2nd, after that 1st “Hey there.” I imagined you had Korg’s voice from Thor: Ragnarok. Made it entertaining.

The pvp matchmaking is fine. There is equal chance of matching a good player as there is matching a bad one. So if you cant perform well in pvp you are just not good at it. The good news is that because the matchmaking works that way it's easier to improve if you know what to look for. For example, say you're getting rolled through by a really great player, think to yourself "what is he doing that im not" pay attention to their movement and positioning, and then imitate it in the next games. Doing this for long enough is how the best players got to where they are, this is also why players get stuck in "elo hell" in some games because improvement doesn't come naturally when playing equally skilled players, you have to play people better than you to improve, if you only play equally skilled opponents then it is literally just a coin toss for who wins. Just know that every player that pubstomps you has been in your shoes at one point, use your lack of skill as motivation to get better, getting mad at the game does nothing to benefit anyone. Destiny is a very simple game and once you get over the initial learning curve the game becomes hilariously easy. This is yet another reason why no sbmm should be in the game. I do not want to have a competitive experience in a game that doesn't have any competitive integrity. The game is designed from the ground up to be a power fantasy above all else, this is why those who put the time into getting better are allowed to absolutely destroy those below them, and also why weapons and supers are the way they are. I hope that makes sense, the better you get at destiny the more you'll realize the game isn't built to help you improve its built to be mindless fun. It just so happens to be more fun for the ones who take the time to get better.

Unfortunately there is no skill-based matchmaking and you are the victim like many of that problem. The casual player who doesn't play in stack teams going to get faced against stack and players that steamroll randoms constantly