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1/22/2021 9:02:14 AM
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120 Hand Cannnnooonnnnsss
The only meta that I have hated worse than this was vigilance and graviton back in warmind.
The most braindead one dimensional sandbox to date. Sturm/True Prophecy x Felwinter’s Lie.
Throw in some sword peeking and ice and I can’t do it anymore. Absolute ignorance of the importance of range in their own game. Naivety when it comes to ability balance. And a community that is afraid of the word nerf.
Over balancing is bad. Semi regular balancing is good. Don’t forget it.
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1 ReplyLol no. Just no. Ill take this over no skill bums spraying 600 rpm autos. At least you aim a 120, if you miss a shot youre punished. You must of loved the hard light or summoner era, guns you dont aim.
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1 ReplyStasis is worse than any 120 HC!!
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5 RepliesSomehow I only see console players complaining about 120s. I wonder why.
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1 ReplyV-Wing isn’t even bad though.
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4 RepliesPlease don't nerf 120s in PvE.
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1. Stasis is far worse 2. I still hated auto meta last season on console more than 120s
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no flame, i see you rant about everything in this game
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Why not focus on Stasis rather than 120s and Felwinters? Thats actually annoying rather than maybe a slightly overtuned archetype of HC and unique shotty thats coming back in 2 weeks.
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Destiny pvp will always have a handcannon/shotgun meta because they’re easy to use, maps favor them and sweats/streamers cry when other weapons can challenge them for once. Why do you think there aren’t any true long range maps in pvp anymore? Because the crutch abusers whined that they were getting out gunned by scout/pulse rifles for once and they couldn’t mindlessly shotgun ape because they would be gunned down. The player base is so used to cramped, cluttered maps that when a map like equinox is in the game they don’t know how to play on it and refuse to learn how. So instead they whine that their meta crutch weapons are getting outclassed. TL/DR: Destiny 2 has been in a perpetual handcannon/shotgun meta since before forsaken and players don’t want to lose their easy mode meta.
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120’s are fun to use, especially sturm. They’ve only just been buffed so stop crying for a nerf.
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Since activision ran from bungie 4 lead devs from D1 left as well josh hammrick used to do pvp sandbox he did pretty good job with balance since then pvp hasn’t been balanced now that deej ran to join another game developer there’s no way Bungie will listen to logic/rationality
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5 RepliesI really don't understand how anyone can defend what is going on in crucible with weapon balancing right now. Just look at trials report for primary and special weapon usages the last couple months. Going in order from last week back. 1/15 Top primary weapon: hand cannons 2.6 million Second primary weapon: sidearms 285 thousand Top special weapon: shotguns 2.1 million Second special weapon: snipers 560 thousand 1/8 Top primary weapon: hand cannons 4.4 million Second primary weapon: sidearms 370 thousand Top special weapon: shotguns 2.4 million Second special weapon: snipers 1.2 million 1/1 Top primary weapon: hand cannons 4.6 million Second primary weapon: pulse rifles 470 thousand Top special weapon: shotguns 2.2 million Second special weapon: snipers 1.4 million 12/25 Top primary weapon: hand cannons 7.3 million Second primary weapon: pulse rifles 680 thousand Top special weapon: shotguns 4.5 million Second special weapon: snipers 1.4 million 12/18 Top primary weapon: hand cannons 6.2 million Second primary weapon: pulse rifles 1.1 million Top special weapon: shotguns 4.8 million Second special weapon: snipers 2.2 million If you cant see the problems with these numbers, there is truly no help for you. The closest any primary has come to hand cannons in the last 5 weeks was still hand cannons sitting at a 5:1 ratio. Shotguns never went below a 2:1 ratio in the special slot. These trends continue but I didn't feel like continuing to post the numbers since it is just the same thing over and over.
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5 RepliesI swear Yall whining about 120s that have the SLOWEST ttk of the hand cannons is just pathetic to see.
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3 RepliesI agree about 120s, but I’m not trying to hear it. There’s 50 other things in Crucible that need addressed before this. The Stasis problem is way worse.
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2 Replies120's are definitely much better than they were buy statistically they still have one of the slower ttk's in the game. There both forgiving in the sense you only need 1 precision and 2 body shots. But there also really punishing to use because if you miss one shot your ttk shoots wayyyyyy up. I know you mentioned pulse rifles but they are technically meta now too. Specifically high impact pulse rifles like cold denial and stars in shadow. Both have a 0.6 second ttk I believe (correct me if I'm wrong there) Also vigilance wing is very very good. While not meta I've found alot of joy using sidearms and scout rifles. (Lonesome and the raid scout are my favourite). Basically what I'm saying is yh 120 hand cannons are good. But only if you can use them well. There are alot of other viable options. And if things go really bad just freeze and smash everyone.
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2 RepliesIt's not the hand cannons bro. It's the entire crucible. It's just trash. Why? The maps are atrocious.
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39 RepliesWill you pvp players quit whining about weapons that can kill you? Nonstop complaints. I hold players like you personally responsible for the nerfs that affect pve and [u]sunsetting[/u]! Imagine a weapon so good that it can actually kill another guardian. You guys are begging for 30 second Ttk's with ping pong ball launchers
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1 ReplyWhat kind of meta are you actually even looking for? You don't like hand cannons. You don't like Pulse rifles. I doubt you'd like scout rifles. So I guess it's smgs and shotguns or bust for you?
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They should've kept autos and pulses up. I'm tired of using them
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6 RepliesI don’t think 120’s are to strong. However, I do think sword peaking is abused and should be fixed First person sword-ing?
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1 ReplyI’m over here using SMGs... 😆
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17 RepliesEdited by A KOOL POP TART: 1/22/2021 1:45:40 PMI miss the auto rifle/pulse rifle meta. Getting 2 tapped is just.....annoying
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With the current buffs to 120 HC, map design and special ammo abundance there is really no need for people to run anything but HC / Shotty combo if they want to compete. There is no penalty to running a HC on the current maps. You can hit max damage during just about any engagement, create more flinch than any other primary, fire accurately in the air, can use cover to stay safe and have a bigger hit box than almost any other primary. All other primary weapons have worse base performance and require you to be at a disadvantage during engagements based on distance, cover or mobility. The reality is most people in crucible are not very good so they will always gravitate to meta crutches. Bungie knows the broken HC / Shotty combo is a favorite of the majority of it's player base which is mostly low skill kids so just like everything else in the game they recycled the meta this season. I have to agree this meta is getting very fukn stale. It makes me appreciate it even more these days when someone owns me with a non meta loadout during a match.
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RegretCater to casuals! - old
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1 Replytry cod.
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3 RepliesBrainless is a 600 spam rifle paired with an Arbalest. Next complaint...
