If I have a Bygones with Outlaw and Kill Clip that I can use for all of D2 what incentive is there for me to even try its new Beyond Light counterpart, Hailing Confusion, which doesn't roll with any damage perks? None. I keep using the same God roll gun I've been using for the last 2 years and complain about the lack of loot to grind for because nothing is going to be better than a Bygones with Outlaw and Kill Clip. And the only way to get me to grind for new loot is to come up with some pinnacle level gear that is better than Outlaw and Kill Clip. This was the player mentality that Bungie was up against before they decided to sunset gear.

Powercreep is a lie. It doesn't exist,not in destiny anyway. I can agree on removing pinnacle weapons but the regular weapons don't come anywhere near this.

Not sure why armor has to sunset. I have to farm out new sets for each season just so I can have the same stats. Obviously this is not viable for some one that plays 3days a week, so armor sunsetting is just going to hurt the general population more then any thing. Which is where they make most of their money. What happened to building the "better monster killer" & "respecting our time", your quotes Bungie not mine.......

Hear me out. Un-sunset all of the weapons except for pinnacles and have the older weapons benefit newer weapons that Bungie wants us to use. Example: A Forsaken Energy Shotgun could randomly drop with a perk or something that increases the stability for a Cold Denial Pulse Rifle. Basically what I’m saying is that the stability would increase on newer kinetic pulse rifles that Bungie would want us to chase after while players could still use older weapons that benefit the usage of newer weapons. That would definitely give us a reason to chase after newer weapons. Why not give newer weapons the same perk or same addition? Maybe a Cold Denial could drop with something that benefits the stats of a Energy Forsaken Shotgun. That’s a second reason to chase after newer weapons. Basically Older weapons and Newer weapons would benefit each other some how. Players would have plenty of reason to chase after Older and Newer weapons.

For myself. I dont get on as often anymore. Dont bother master working weapons or armor cause they will be going away anyways. I dont see the point of hunting for god roll weapons since they will be going away. I remember Destinys 2 tv ad when Cayde 6 announced there would "tons of loot."

Power creep isn’t just having a legendary sword that can melt a boss in 3 seconds. People gravitate to the best weapons. The ones that have the best balance of handling, stability, range, and stickiness. You can get to a point where the only way to introduce a handcannon people will love and use over Spare Rations is to make a handcannon better in nearly every way, including perks. Until eventually we have a handcannon with 100 range/handing/stability/recoil direction, 0 bounce intensity, with kill clip and outlaw. And from there it can only get better with stronger damage perks and faster reload. People won’t farm for something unless it is as good or better than what they already have. We have seen people complain about this, asking why they should be bothered to farm for a weapon that’s worse than one they’ve been using for 2+ years. To fight that kind of creep without sunsetting they would need to rebalance each weapon quite regularly. Not just adjusting entire archetypes, but literally adjusting individual stats and animation for individual guns to bring them down for others to be as viable. We’ve seen this with perks. Some perks are only NOW considered top tier that other perks were knocked down a peg. Now a far more consistent weapon is often preferred to one that is just slightly faster in reload or does just a smidge more damage. I have not been a critic of sunsetting weapons (armor yes), but that doesn’t mean I like it. It is an easy way out for Bungie on a bunch of things. But I’ve also always been able to find new favorite guns I like using. But sometimes I also like pull and old faithful from the vault. It does impact my god roll farming just a bit too. Due to a shorter life span I tend to stop and “good enough” roll and not keep trying for “god roll”. Often focusing more on just getting the two main perks I want. It’s been a little freeing, as The game feels a little less grindy for me. I still find plenty of enjoyment in the game. Even before sunsetting I would stop using older weapons in favor of a newer, prettier, better performing weapon. Honestly, most of the time, I don’t even feel the effects of sunsetting.

[quote]The official reason for sunsetting was power creep, but we all know the real reason was to keep people grinding for new loot. Because even though you own a god roll of something, that gun will be worthless in less than a year. I must say that sunsetting weapons and gear has the opposite effect on me. Instead of grinding more, I play a lot less. Another reason for this fatigue is probably that Bungie keeps lying about the official reason for sunsetting. Just cut the BS about this “power creep” nonsense. Whenever examples were given about power creep, the only things people could come up with were Recluse, Revoker, Not Forgotten, Mountaintop, et cetera and some exotic weapons. Well exotic weapons aren’t getting sunset, so forget about that. The other named weapons were all pinnacle weapons. Nothing about regular legendary weapons (never mind "OP" armor XD). [quote]“No, but people are only looking out for rampage, kill clip, swashbuckler and other damage increasing perks.”[/quote] [quote]“Well, then nerf those.”[/quote] [quote]“Nerfing isn’t fun!”[/quote] [quote]“You rather have them removed from the game than for them to get adjusted?”[/quote] So if power creep really was the real reason for sunsetting: Why not only sunset pinnacle weapons? Because I must say, I’m pretty sure Bungie could’ve kept people grinding for years to come by simply introducing interesting new perks, buffing less used perks and adjusting damage increasing perks like Rampage. Maybe even introducing new types of weapons or weapon archetypes. Sunsetting was not necessary EVER. It is only causing people to get burned out by the game. I’m never done grinding for weapons with interesting newer perks like Vorpal, Thresh, Unrelenting, Killing Wind. But I am done grinding when I know those weapons take a very long time to acquire, and by the time you own them, you can only use them for several months. It just isn’t worth the time!!! The result is I will only keep and chase gods rolls I can use in quickplay. For PvE I will just keep general okay rolls and not bother getting god rolls. I just can’t imagine Bungie really wants us to view the game like that! I must say I almost feel the same way about D2 now as how I felt about it in year 1. Back then the game was boring, because there was nothing to chase. Now I just hardly feel like playing because I know Bungie doesn’t respect the time players put in the game. On the bright side: I have more time now to do other things. :)[/quote] Bumped a lot of us feel the same my post has not stopped with the upvotes since posting. We definitely feel you

Yup. 100%. Also I’m much less interested in masterworking anything as the spent resources are going to be wasted in less than a year.

Destiny 1 and 2 is not MMO-RPG it's Loot Shooter-RPG. (Sunsetting System) is [Busted] My thoughts for Bungie and the director name called Luke Smith. Pinnacle or Ritual weapons need (sunsetting system) on those weapons cause of the word of overpowered weapons or power creep, but sunsetting a random roll legendary gears and weapons is beyond ridiculous the time investment that you farmed the god roll gears and weapons for hours, days and months or year is not well respected. If you are going to tell me that sunsetting is a great system on a legendary random roll gears and weapons well that's ridiculous and pathetic on bungie's part. You wanna know why I don't appreciate the current sunsetting system on destiny 2. (A) [1st] I have a life, [2nd] Time for my family and [3rd] a job. (B) I don't like to farm over and over again and wasting my time to farm the same weapon archetype that I have and it has a god roll perks on it. (C) It felt Bungie is trying or forcing the players to participate every single season to not get (FOMO) or called Feeling of Missing out. (D) For example, what if you finally get the god-roll weapon that you really like or love so much but the season has 10 days left remaining and then the god-roll weapon that you farm hours, days, months or years will be obsolete to the end-game activities. (E) Destiny 2 is not friendly to casual players or new/returning players. [Destiny 2] Not Recommended for casual players or new/returning players. If you're going tell me "shut up and quit the game" well, you are just fam-boy of Bungie. I paid the game and all DLC expansions and by the way I have my freedom of speech. What I just said to my statement is not harmful at all I'm just spitting facts. [If you're going to censored me or suppress my freedom of speech you are part of the communist party]

it would be nice to get my not forgotten at 2160 and then go in iron banner or trials 🤣, everyone will be using it.