Aight well I see ur had a conversation with him but I'm not reading those essays Anyway I think he more so meant that eris was the one that pushed for the defeat of oryx, the one that sort of told us how and lead us thru it, so kind of think like she was the general we were just the soldiers doing what we were told(God this sounds like world war 2 Germans) anyway and so far Mara sov seems to be involved with the defeat fo savathun, however I feel like eris is more involved personally right now. So it seems like Osiris will likely be involved in leading us to the destruction of xivu arath

Well, it seems ignoring this only made things worse so I’ll clear things up. Lasombra, all your spite over this is simply because I made up the prefix “Anti-“ for the role instead of using the word mantle? Demonoid, you argued that I meant it as “Bane of.” There is no set term, this role can be referred to as being a rival/equal/opponent/the one who is like them/equivalent/bane of/reflection/the one who will take on their mantle when they die/etc. If I grabbed a Thesaurus I could keep going. Frankly the most accurate of all of these is “the one who is like them” but none of these have the snappy, easily understood, and all-encompassing meaning of “Anti.” [b]Arguing over which phrase/word to use is like me saying “This is an apple.” and someone else saying “No, its not an apple, it’s a green apple.” So I am understandably frustrated by how far this debate over something so ridiculously overcritical has gone.[/b] And neither of you was correct about what I meant, and both of you fell short because the terms you’ve used refer to this role being given to a character as a result of one of the Osmium siblings dying. Mara Sov is already the one who is like Savathûn, but Savathûn isn’t dead. Eris Morn had to become Oryx’s equal in order to kill him. She took on the role first, then was responsible for his death, then took on the mantle. [quote]and she devoted herself to the task of comprehending Oryx, learning and foreseeing Him, thinking as He would think, knowing what He would know, becoming His one worthy enemy and so becoming like Him.[/quote] Lasombra, you were correct about taking on their mantles, but that’s only part of it. Same to you, Demonoid, being their bane and responsible for their death is part of it.

[quote]Considering you know we killed Oryx and not Eris...you probably should of stopped to reconsider the idea the moment you said that she is Oryxs anti... This is just some weird...stuff. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Anti-someone? Where did it even come from? Dude, stay within the bounds of the lore of you want to come up with ideas. This freewheeling baseless speculation just clutters your mind.[/quote] He means "anti" as like what ingame is described as "bane of", it wasn't THAT hard to understand what tf he was trying to talk about.

Eris, Crota’s Bane. Yeah, like I said, Someone studying an enemy to defeat means quite literally [i]nothing[/i]. It certainly doesn’t call for multiple lore references to say ‘ So and So will be the main narrative npc to help us beat XYZ foe’ When he uses the Poison weblore, calls her his equivalent and labels the Hives description of her as being the Anti-Oryx? Especially when in his rebuttal he cites Poison, which again is abi [i]mantling[/i]. That weblore is about Eris mantling Oryx in her obsessive pursuit of beating them leading to her corruption and eventual replacing of him. Like she did in Elsie’s Dark Future. He mixed the concept of Bane of and mantling, to varying degrees for each of the trio. So no, I understood him just fine. So clearly it is Fing hard for some to understand what he meant. Since you didn’t. Good chat little buddy.

[quote]Eris, Crota’s Bane. Yeah, like I said, Someone studying an enemy to defeat means quite literally [i]nothing[/i]. It certainly doesn’t call for multiple lore references to say ‘ So and So will be the main narrative npc to help us beat XYZ foe’ When he uses the Poison weblore, calls her his equivalent and labels the Hives description of her as being the Anti-Oryx? Especially when in his rebuttal he cites Poison, which again is abi [i]mantling[/i]. That weblore is about Eris mantling Oryx in her obsessive pursuit of beating them leading to her corruption and eventual replacing of him. Like she did in Elsie’s Dark Future. He mixed the concept of Bane of and mantling, to varying degrees for each of the trio. So no, I understood him just fine. So clearly it is Fing hard for some to understand what he meant. Since you didn’t. Good chat little buddy.[/quote] Ah that was a nice read, too bad you ended it with something that awards you a Mute, little buddy

That was more than a bit rude, mate. I’m well aware that this sounds like some crackpot theory, but I provided plenty of lore in the post. Please read this one: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/poison#weblore

Harsh criticism of an idea isn’t rude. Especially when you readily admit it’s bonkers. I mean you literally made up the whole Anti concept when the weblore is talking about mantling. Which is replacing the person you killed, not being their adversary. Mantling is established lore. Anti is head cannon. Every big bad has someone in particular looking into how to get rid of them. That’s how they guide it narratively. You took something that has no special meaning and spun a whole tale around it like it’s something. Osiris shifting from the Vex to Hive makes perfect sense. We stopped their main threat, the Dark Future he saw. So it’s perfectly natural in a narrative sense he moves on to the next big threat. Eris is a special case and is nothing like Osiris. Her taking Hive eyes, using Darkness magic for years. Of course it gives her a bond to them and a path for corruption. We see the implications of the web lore in Elsies Dark Future with Eris going all dark side. That is [i]mantling[/i]. But for Osiris there is no such possibility yet. Likewise Mara’s plan and all has been kept so vague it’s impossible to really speculate much. Sorry but this is just head cannon. You lost your grip from speculating way too much. I don’t like indulging it because it is totally counter productive and can give the less informed a completely wrong idea of what the lore is. Which you shouldn’t want either. Right?

harsh criticism of an idea? eh you’re kinda just annoying , that’s all you really provide to this topic. lore is full of speculation and guessing. that’s part of the entertainment.

There is a difference between guessing and speculation and smashing things together willy nilly that don’t make sense even according to the persons ideas. That’s not guessing or speculation. It’s sloppy fan fiction and unfortunately in his responses you can tell he thought it was legitimate line of speculation. All that can be provided is a big fat ‘no’. There is no squaring it through discussion. I’ve tried that here before and it doesn’t work. So I’m blunt about it now. Not my problem if someone doesn’t like it.

It doesn’t matter if someone doesn’t like it, it’s just wrong. It makes plenty of sense to me, even more so now that sagira is dead.