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Edited by KS27: 12/12/2020 4:33:57 PM
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Will Osiris be the Anti-Xivu Arath?

Okay, first off, you guys probably saw the title of this post and thought “Oh great, what baseless nonsense is this idiot on about?” I know I know, I sound like a raving lunatic. So I have to explain what I’m talking about and show you some lore so you know I’m not just making this stuff up lol Okay, so we have the three Osmium siblings, the gods and leaders of the Hive: [b]Oryx, Savathûn and Xivu Arath[/b] And in the lore there are characters who have made a point of trying to defeat these three. Who are these characters? [b]Eris Morn, Mara Sov, and Osiris[/b] These three specifically have been working together to defeat the Osmium siblings, enacting what Mara calls “The Plan.” Not only that, but Mara has been confirmed to be the rival to Savathûn and Eris the equivalent of Oryx. Now, these three also have plenty of focus on defeating the Darkness/Pyramids, prior to the Season of the Hunt Osiris was mostly against the Vex and Darkness, Eris wants all Hive dead, and other characters like Drifter and Elsie have also gotten involved in the fight against the Darkness and Savathûn. But it is Mara, Eris and Osiris that came together to kill the Osmium siblings. I’ll share all the details and lore references here: [spoiler]Here I’ll list a short version of the relevant events, provide links to the lore, and give brief summaries of the important information. Mara Sov dreams of Oryx: [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/tyrannocide-i#book-the-awoken-of-the-reef]Tyrannocide I[/url] Mara dreamt of Oryx, the embodiment of Death and the Sword Logic, coming and killing her. At the time she still didn’t actually know it was Oryx. Mara learns of Oryx’s family: [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/tyrannocide-ii#book-the-awoken-of-the-reef]Tyrannocide II[/url] The Wall of Wishes compares Oryx’s family to Mara’s, revealing their key qualities to Mara. Mara is compared to Savathûwûn. Sjur is compared to Xivu Arath and Uldren to Oryx, but we know neither of them are the “Anti’s” to those siblings (because Sjur is dead and Eris is the Anti-Oryx, not Uldren). And later on there’s a decent amount of lore building up Savathûn as Mara’s ultimate enemy and equal. Osiris and Eris join Mara [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-the-queen-2#eris-morn]Ghost Fragment: The Queen 2[/url] Osiris and Eris approach Mara, joining forces to end Oryx as well as his sisters. This grimoire doesn’t name Eris or Osiris, but there’s tons of hints and later on a large amount of other lore that reveal it to be them and continue to develop their combined effort in the plan, such as [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/the-road-to-kings-fall?highlight=Osiris]The Road to King’s Fall[/url] and a ton of messages between Mara and Eris, as well as a handful of excerpts addressing Osiris’s worry about Oryx. Anyway, Mara creates the plan to make herself Ascendant while Eris leads the effort to kill Oryx. We kill Oryx and become his successor, additionally honing ourselves through him and the [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/endure#weblore]Touch of Malice[/url], but we are not the anti-Oryx. We are the next champion of the Sword Logic, the place higher than Oryx, though we did not take the throne. Eris is the Anti-Oryx [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/poison#weblore]Poison[/url] The Hive acknowledge us as the blasphemous new champion and would-be-Taken King, but they declare Eris the Anti-Oryx. Eris who devoted her entire being to understanding Oryx entirely and in doing so became like him, making herself his one worthy enemy.[/spoiler] Okay, now that your brains are swollen from all that reading, lets stuff more knowledge in there! You people are real masochists for lore, aren’t ya? Anyways, Xivu Arath is the only sibling that doesn’t have a confirmed “Anti” yet. And Osiris is the only member of the trio that hasn’t been confirmed to be an “Anti.” And this season his entire goal is to stop Xivu Arath and her followers. So you can see why I think it’s him. [i]“But, KS, what if it’s not Osiris? Maybe you’re just a dumb nerd with no life who hasn’t seen the sun in months and your 4-year diet of eating nothing but Fruit Loops is finally starting to affect your mental state? Are there any other contenders for the role of Anti-Xivu?”[/i] I’m glad you asked! Before Season of the Hunt Osiris almost never even talked about Hive! He dismissed them as unimportant compared to the Vex and Darkness itself! All this despite uniting with Eris and Mara, and it’s only now that he showed any interest in the Hive (though we do have several old lore excerpts about his concerns towards Oryx). Well, before the Hunt, my best guess was Uldren (and later Crow). Uldren was always a straightforward fighter and hunter, ever since his original life as a human! And being Mara’s sibling and compared to Oryx’s family in the Wall of Wishes was the extra icing on top. [i]But[/i] Mara tells us in [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/tyrannocide-iv#book-the-awoken-of-the-reef]Tyrannocide IV[/url] that Uldren knew nothing of the plan, though he was aware of her relationship with Eris and other things. When Uldren was revived as Crow I still thought, “heck yeah, Crow is still the best candidate.” But now we have Season of the Hunt. And as Crow he’s been a good help with the Wrathborn, but let’s face it, Crow isn’t the Anti-Xivu. Crow is just way too [i]wholesome[/i]. He’s almost the opposite of Xivu, when to be Xivu Arath’s rival and equivalent he would need to be an embodiment of war. Like how Mara matches Savathûn’s cunning and Eris matches Oryx’s pursuit of understanding and mission of extermination. And then, of course, there’s “Us.” The Guardian, Young Wolf, Godslayer, the Destiny Waifu Magnet, Hero of the Red War, etc. We’re a perfect equal to Xivu Arath, and honestly a pretty good match to Oryx (though we’re certainly too lacking in the intelligence department to rival Savathûwûn). Heck, we killed Oryx and we’ll probably be the ones to kill Xivu and Savathûn. But that’s exactly why we probably won’t be the Anti-Xivu. We’re the all-purpose protagonist. Let the NPC’s have their glory and special storylines, we’ll just stick to punching everything and getting loot. So yeah. Osiris is Anti-Xivu? I think so. How about you? For more of my posts, check out my [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/228191135/0/0]Master Post[/url] or follow #KS27

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  • Edited by MC 077 Lasombra: 12/12/2020 9:35:42 PM
    Considering you know we killed Oryx and not Eris...you probably should of stopped to reconsider the idea the moment you said that she is Oryxs anti... This is just some weird...stuff. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Anti-someone? Where did it even come from? Dude, stay within the bounds of the lore of you want to come up with ideas. This freewheeling baseless speculation just clutters your mind.

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    • I have thought that Osiris might become the speaker in the old tower which is being refurbished. He studied with the original speaker.

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    • Edited by PhNx Hellfire: 12/14/2020 8:44:30 AM
      [quote]Mara has been confirmed to be the rival to Savathûn[/quote] Source. [quote]Eris the equivalent of Oryx.[/quote] Wishful thinking. Source. [quote]Osiris was mostly against the Vex and Darkness[/quote] I don't know where your thoughts drifted to, but where the vex are involved? ALLLLLLL factions are involved. Especially the infinite forest. The real contender to Xivu has been and continues to be: a) a member of the light b) Capable of waging war c) A strategist like Xivu I can currently name fifteen lore people to fit the anti-Xivu parallel fighter. Osiris is the current Oryx as the navigator of realms. Period. Savathun is definitely Mara or six other light-bearers in the Last City. Xivu has been a topic of great interest to me and the lore points to a lot of individuals to be able to match the Hive warlord in battle and strategy. I'll welcome the day we get the chance to fight with that particular individual(s) and have them be recognized.

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      • Edited by Display Name: 12/12/2020 9:17:21 PM
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        • seems like this could happen good job on making it cohesive and Plausable

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        • Considering that since D2s launch bungo destroyed Osiris's reputation(ingame, not in the lore) by making him part of a horrible expansion, seem way weaker than our guardian even though he is considered to be the most powerful warlock, trials of Osiris launching in a horrible state and the fact that they were delayed for over a month, making him lose his ghost to some hive WHICH WAS NOT IN A CUTSCENE BUT IN A LOADING SCREEN DIALOGUE HELLO STORY TELLING???(btw, same guy that can fight in multiple places at once) and making him and saint gay lovers(which I don't mind but It just came out of nowhere. People say that it was hinted in the lore but I never noticed it and they acted like friends in the devils ruin mission so yeah, JKBungo?) So yeah Osiris probably about to die or something and our guardian with eris will probably deal with Xivu Arath in the Witch Queen dlc. Shame cause he was my favorite lore character but I guess he is some loser in the actual game that can't fight some Hive(which we easily took care of SOLO).

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          • Can Osiris learn to use darkness like us.?

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            • Edited by Astrosa: 12/14/2020 12:11:06 AM
              The only anti in this game is us strolling around killing things for loot He would probably be like oh no I can’t do anything because blah blah imago loop blah blah You kill it

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            • .........................................................ok

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            • I think he’s gonna die before he can be the anti anything. Wondering around without a ghost? Good luck. Really hope they don’t kill him off though, I’m a big fan of Oded Fehr.

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              • Well then... Imma do what Chelchis did and prepare to defend....and possibly die... [spoiler]"Where is the Great Machine? Where is the Great Machine?"[/spoiler]

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              • well with sagira gone he might as well be our next cayde! Am I right time for warlocks to get a nerf to the heart! 😁

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              • Edited by UnwiseGeoduck84: 12/13/2020 12:30:58 AM
                Well, he certainly has a reason to go after Xivu.

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                • Too bad osiris has been -blam!- and neutered.

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                  • I thought it was considered “name-bane” like how Eris was once the Crota-bane and Oryx-bane vendor back in D1?

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                    • <Not about most of this post but it almost sounded like Mara was scared of Savathun in her message.>

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                      • Not sure if it's really pertinent info or not, but Osiris is also probably rocking a hate boner after what happened to Sagira.

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                        • Edited by Li0nSo1ldier11: 12/12/2020 11:45:36 PM
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                          What do you have against the melons? - old

                          [quote][i]“But, KS, what if it’s not Osiris? Maybe you’re just a dumb nerd with no life who hasn’t seen the sun in months and your 4-year diet of eating nothing but Fruit Loops is finally starting to affect your mental state?[/i]quote] *smiles* There is another.

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                        • *Xiûwû Arath

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                          • Edited by la88q: 12/12/2020 10:51:49 PM
                            [quote]Maybe you’re just a dumb nerd with no life who hasn’t seen the sun in months and your 4-year diet of eating nothing but Fruit Loops is finally starting to affect your mental state?[/quote] 😂 On a serious note this is great I wonder if Osiris is anti-Xivu. Also is Taox dead I keep forgetting

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                            • They all intermarried anyway. Kill this, save that will change nothing.

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                            • Not sure about the whole "anti" thing. I mean I always assumed Eris knew about all 3 hive gods. I don't think she was drawn to any one of them more than the other (aside from Crota). Either way, I'm very excited for my two hive god sisters to wreak havoc on the universe

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                              • Most impressive part of this whole post... You somehow got your Hunter to 268 power when viewing your profile through the app. Not 1268, just 268. Well played, sir.

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