Honestly 600's are the only issue and thats mainly if they have Dynamic Sway. My beef being more with the perk than the guns since you know... conplete removal of Bloom. But HC's are pretty toxic at the moment as well with 150's being the aim assist tool that all streamers orgasm over. Most of the issues comes down to lack of bloom, recoil, or aggressive bullet magnetism. Though its not impossible to counter. Play smart with your team and try using Bows or other high damage output weapons. Don't get in a boxing match though as your very easily gonna lose a gun fight. Dip in, get a hit and dip out and recover health, maybe throw a nade on the corner so they can't come around prefiring their Suros or Gnawing Hunger. Either play very long range or get in their face before they fire. If your charging at them or they start shooting and you don't have cover than your likely to die. Im not gonna judge you for hating the meta, because all metas in my eyes are kinda cancer since people are so easily to conform and copy paste off of streamers and pros. Now if you were fighting nothing but Revoker/Mountaintop hell than I'd be willing to agree since there is nothing to defend those cheap crutch weapons. Beyond that its less issues with the weapons and more the situation and the backstage mechanics. It sounds like you just had a very rough couple of games and needed to vent. So im not gonna really judge you or hop on your rough time like the rest of the Forum Vultures. I would reccomend if you want to vent though do it with some friends or just take a break from the game for like half an hour or more. Trust me it helps to just say screw it and go play something else since it gets rid of the tension and frustration with the poor sandbox management. Like your title says. Your tired and frustrated. Best bet is to just take a break from PvP, maybe take the chance to raid or play another game. Not like much is going on for awhile anyway what is there to do? Festival of the Cost? Lol

[quote]Dear lord autos can kill you before you can ads these days. Im tired of this gnawing hunger and summoner meta. I mainly use scouts bows and handcannons but 90%of the time you will get outgunned by autos.[/quote] No gun takes even a half second to ADS, let alone 0.7 Also, have you tried not playing into the ARs' strengths? [quote]Im not asking for a nerf but can we please have some semblance of balance in this god damn game.[/quote] There's always going to be a meta, there's always going to be something that's slightly better than the rest of the things. Right now is the best we've ever had things in terms of how many things are viable. Hell, in terms of just primaries, there's only 6 full archetypes that I wouldn't consider viable (go back to before this most recent sandbox and I'd name a LOT more). [quote]Im happy they will be adjusting 110 handcannons but i somehow doubt it will be enough to break this auto meta.[/quote] Nothing short of player adaptation, ARs being worthless, or fixing the controller's controls will break it. Far as I'm concerned, it's not even a rigid AR meta across all platforms. It's an AR/HC meta over on PC since KB/M doesn't get bloom unless airborne with a bad stability stat. [quote]Spray and pray no skill is rewarded while accuracy/ads is being shat on.[/quote] Spray and pray has never... NEVER been viable in Destiny, closest you got was Recluse when it's damage perk gave headshot damage to Bodyshots. [quote]Autos have ridiculous range these days but hcs got a range nerf. Most of the times i cannot even challenge an auto with a hc unless its lastword.[/quote] 1. ARs in general need Rangefinder or optics to get "ridiculous" ranges. Otherwise, it's about the same as HCs 2. HCs needed that range nerf because the mellow dropoff combined with their power made them oppressive way further than needed, also anything that wasn't a range roll was generally considering worthless (with slight exception to stability rolls on Controller). 3. It's really easy; Don't go grounded and head to head against an AR unless you get first shot and are pressing an advantage. [quote]Again im not asking for an auto nerf but can we please have some range on handcannons like they were prenerf cuz autos are in a good place now and adding range to hcs wont break anything.[/quote] No, that would break the game, since again, Hand Cannons could push 35+ meters of viability without much challenge. And that pushes the majority of Pulses out, as well as Scouts. [quote]I hate using autos, i dont enjoy the spray and pray but its frustrating when i get outgunned by an auto when i know i had the first hit in.[/quote] This isn't Call of Duty, spray and pray hasn't ever been viable. [quote]I got a dire promise with rangefinder and a range masterwork and it still cant match autos at times.[/quote] Except it does. Maxing out range on Fire with Rangefinder beats almost all AR rolls in terms of range. The only way to match it with an AR is to have one that rolls optics with max range, or max range with Rangefinder. [quote]Perfect example matchmaking put me in a game that has already started and was losing i swapped to suros(spinning up i dont have a god rolled gnawing) and we made a comeback and won.[/quote] Okay? And I've done the same thing with Monarque. I've done the same with Thorn, and Sunshot, and Multi Tool... If this is supposed to support your argument, it's really weak unless you single-handedly went like 40-0 because of exclusively Regime. You have summoned me.