Dmg just tweeted, no change planned for Truth to Power aquisition, no changes to chronicler. Finally this discussion can end, if you missed out, you missed out.

Fascinating to me how many replies take the "point and laugh" or "point and shrug" approach followed by "you had 2 years" without giving any thought to those that might be newer players who might want this title and are stuck on Truth to Power, offering no solutions outside of "I got my title, I don't know why you didn't get it." Shame really, just like the Warlords of old.

The only "issue" is the ones crying that they want a shortcut to get something they've had 2 years to get. It's your own fault. Get over it.

Just an FYI (so you can go ahead & set expectations) per DMG on twitter: [quote] Re: Truth to Power Lore At this time, no changes are being planned for this ritual, nor acquisition of these lore pieces. As such, this may put Chronicler out of arms reach for some players.[/quote]

I say this all the time when I see posts like this, explaining there thoughts on Chronicler or Wayfarer, any title going away. The main question that keeps getting avoided is why didnt anybody see this coming or thought certain titles were going away once the destinations that were being vaulted were revealed months ago. You explained yourself very well on starting out on Chronicler at the beggining of this year, but if thats the case then why didnt a sence of urgency didnt cross your mind when we all heard the news that planets were going away. I even put up multiple posts on the forums on what titles might be going away. I nailed every single one of them. Chronicler, Wayfarer, Reckoner, Shadow, and Blacksmith. I even said to start working on them NOW or forever hold your peace Yet nobody took me seriously I started a little bit after the announcement and I just recently got Chronicler about 2 weeks ago. So for those who are now starting and mad why you dont have the title, I say its your own fault for not worrying about it sooner. All i see is Excuses

You had 2 years. So my best advice to get it done super quick is to [spoiler]GIT GUD[/spoiler]

I 100% agree with you. I played D2 at launch, took a long break, and came back to the game this late spring/early summer. One of my favorite parts about the game since coming back has been the lore. So I really wanted the Chronicler title to reflect that. It was going to be my favorite title that I would wear all the time. I really enjoyed the countless hours I spent on the scavenger hunt for all the other lore books for the seal, but discovered too late that the Truth to Power book had a 33-week timegate. I learned about the the double-lore exploit even later. I was unable to do it this week due to the maintenance. As it stands, I am at 6/11 entries, meaning I will be at 10/11 when Beyond Light launches, unless something is changed, and that's assuming there won't be any more maintenance during the other two high curse resets. Many other people are in this exact same situation. It seems like Bungie is being really kind lately in regard to helping people complete things before they go away. They just this Tuesday gave out the Braytech Osprey as part of the Exodus quest. They added duplication protection to the Sleeper nodes to help people get Warminded. For those who think it would be wrong for Bungie to alleviate Truth to Power's timegate, I want to ask you the following: Do you think it’s unfair that Bungie added duplicate protection for the sleeper nodes for the Warminded emblem? Does that “devalue” the achievement for people who got it despite the poor RNG? Or made Shattered Throne playable every week instead just during high-curse week? Did that “cheat-out” the people who got the rewards despite only being able to do it 1/3 of the time? Or how about giving out the Braytech Osprey as part of the Exodus quest? Was that “unfair” to those who repeatedly ran Strange Terrain to get Wayfarer? Making Truth to Power obtainable weekly would be no different than any of these things. Bungie, if you see this, will you please consider making Truth to Power entries obtainable every week, rather than just every third? This wouldn't make the title easier to get, or cheat out those who already worked hard to get it. It would still require the same number of hours in-game to get. The same number of visits to the Queen's Court. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Going through the replies and reporting the toxic people. Disrespect is strong here.

Perfectly said....is this on reddit yet? Feel like bungie pays more attention to that than its own forums

The problem may be fixed without changing timegate. The seal could just become hidden, but obtainable when all needed lorebooks are completed. That way new players who cant get the title due to vaulting of some destinations couldnt see the seal they cannot finish, but people who just need some of lore entries from non-vaulting destinations (myself included) still could get their title.

On number 2 you can cut that time on half by getting 2 truth to power lores per curse week.

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[quote]There have been many threads about this issue already but they seem to constantly get buried in irrelevant and repeating comments that make no sense. I would like to make a comprehensive thread with all of the usual replies to this topic addressed and countered in an effort to give relevant feedback to Bungie in regards to the requirements for the Chronicler title. Chronicler title will be vaulted with the launch of Beyond Light, leaving many people already in progress for the title unable to acquire it due to certain lore books being time-gated (most notably Truth to Power, but also Marasenna and Most Loyal). Despite The Dreaming City and The Tangled Shore remaining in the game when Beyond Light launches, lore books related to those locations will become unavailable due to the title itself being vaulted. The DCV (Destiny Content Vault) was announced on the 9th of June, meaning people couldn't have known prior to that about some of the content becoming unavailable. In the rush to acquire titles, triumphs and loot from DCV destinations, naturally, people prioritised getting stuff from Io, Mars, Mercury and Titan, as well as activities such as The Reckoning and The Menagerie. Most of the Chronicler title relates to The Tangled Shore and The Dreaming City, destinations not going into the DCV. However, only on the 3rd of September was it announced that the Chronicler title is [i]also[/i] going into the DCV. That is an objectively late announcement, especially for a title which is 90% connected to non-DCV destinations. As I mentioned previously, several lore books are time-gated (and for no good reason anymore), therefore impeding progress on the title artificially and through no fault of the player. We simply have to wait. No amount of effort or grind or time spent playing can speed up the process which is at odds with how every other DCV title functions. Now for FAQ, as in, typical responses to these types of threads and answers to those responses in order to debunk them. [b]1. You had 2 years to get the title.[/b] That is theoretically correct, as the title has been in the game since Forsaken. However, [i]players[/i] have not been in the game since Forsaken. There are plenty of people that joined or returned with Shadowkeep, or even later. This is an asinine and derailing response which fails to acknowledge that not everybody has been playing consistently since launch. [b]2. You should've started earlier anyway![/b] The title requires a lot of busy work and waiting due to time-gated content. If you miss any of it due to whatever reason, it can set you back for weeks. Marasenna requires ascendant challenges: there are 6 of them and they are on a 6 week long rotation. Most Loyal is tied to The Tangled Shore being a Flashpoint location. Finally, Truth to Power is fixed on a 3 week cycle and needs a total of 231 days to complete (if you don't miss out on a week). That's 7 and a half months [i]at best[/i]. [b]3. Just don't miss out on a week, it takes half an hour to do the mission.[/b] Related to the above. Yes, it doesn't take long to complete the mission on curse week. However, people have things called real life. I personally missed out on a week due to being on a trip and not having my PC while travelling. A friend of mine had to move urgently due to the pandemic and had to leave his PC in another country, not having access to it for months. Furthermore, nobody owes anybody an explanation as to why they may not have been able to complete the title already, but needless to say, different people have different priorities and time available to spend gaming, so missing out on a week of Tangled Shore Flashpoint or ascendant challenge week or curse week should be completely understandable. [b]4. Why did you start doing the title last minute?[/b] I didn't. Many people didn't. I started mine at the beginning of the year. Some people joined over the course of the year and only started a few months ago. However, even if they did start it last minute (at least after DCV announcement or even after last week's TWAB), how is that different from people rushing to do [i]any[/i] title last minute? I wasn't worried about titles before the DCV announcement and I have since rushed to get many of them done before they are vaulted. Why should the Chronicler title be held at a higher standard when it requires less effort overall to acquire it as it mostly just features collecting? We can last minute rush every other title, so why not Chronicler? [b]5. If Bungie lifts the time-gates, it will devalue the title for those who already got it the harder way![/b] I personally don't understand this type of elitism, but to each their own. However, this can easily be debunked because Bungie has already done plenty to lift time-gates and excessive grind and RNG elements to content that's being vaulted. Some examples of this: - Changes to raids going into the DCV to make them more easily farmable instead of having weekly locks - Changes to raids to give out exotic items more easily (Luxurious Toast emote becoming a guaranteed drop, for example) - The newest Evacuation quest steps giving out weapons previously locked behind Nightfall RNG just for completing a very simple quest. There are other similar things happening right now due to the DCV that are supposed to give players a chance in acquiring anything they might be missing or anything they want in particular before the locations are vaulted. Why the Chronicler title should be exempt from this is beyond me, and I'm even more baffled by this idea that changing how it is acquired will somehow devalue it. The fact that Zavala is handing out Mindbender's Ambition doesn't devalue Mindbender's Ambition nor does it affect people that might've spent hundreds of hours trying to get it by running the Nightfall. [b]6. You just want handouts![/b] No actually, I don't. I just want the arbitrary time-gate to be removed in order to make the title earnable before it goes into the DCV since the announcement about it going away was far too late. And ofc also because everything being vaulted is currently undergoing ease of access changes to allow people to earn it. I don't care how the change is implemented; they can remove the 3 week wait, they can let us acquire the lore book on each character, they can do both, they can tie the lore book to Blind Well completions or make them purchasable for Dark Fragments. I don't really mind any solution. I don't expect the lore to appear in my inventory for free and I'm not averse to grinding it out (I just completed Reckoner and my 4th Infamy reset [i]this season[/i] so yeah, I don't really care if I have to grind for it). To get Chronicler, you already need to put time and effort in. Most of it is just acquiring collectibles, but there's also stuff like Marasenna which requires completion of the full Wishender quest, running Shattered Throne, running ascendant challenges that are on weekly rotation and running a raid. People that are only stuck on Truth to Power have already put in work into getting the title so there's no handout happening here. It just happens that Truth to Power is locked behind a 3 week wait and there's only 2 more curse weeks remaining before Beyond Light. [b]7. It's unfair![/b] I'm not sure what exactly is unfair besides arbitrarily locking people out of a title that they've been working on for [i]months.[/i] Is it unfair that Shattered Throne is no longer tied to the curse week despite that being the case previously? People had to wait 3 weeks to get their chance to run the dungeon but now they can run it any time. I don't see any uproar about that and that's because there shouldn't be any. It's also unfair that we're time-gated for Truth to Power, an outdated lore book that doesn't even give us the full experience anymore because Mara is no longer in the Court and we're not getting her dialogues anyway. There is literally no logical reason to keep TtP locked behind curse week. [b]8. It's just one title, stop obsessing over it.[/b] It's a matter of principle, really. We've been working on the title for months. DCV-ing the title was announced way too late. Every other title is grindable if you put in the effort and time into getting it. Chronicler is [i]literally the only thing[/i] being vaulted that we are locked out of getting and for no real reason whatsoever since the Dreaming City is staying in the game anyway and removing time-gating is not unprecedented, especially not now that plenty of things have been altered to be easier to acquire. [b]9. There's a glitch to get 2 lore pieces. [/b] We're all aware. If there's no maintenance for the next 2 curse weeks, I'll get my lore book since I'm missing only 4 pieces and I can get them using the glitch. However, there's plenty of people who need more than 4, even if it's only 1 more and they will be locked out of finishing the title due to one lore tab. I don't understand how glitching this content is a proper answer or how glitching this content somehow isn't "devaluing" it. It's getting content in an unintended way. Bungie might as well just do what they did to everything related to DCV and lift restrictions themselves instead of forcing players to glitch the game or just straight up miss out on something they've been working on for months due to late announcements and arbitrary restrictions. -- Conclusion: Everything is currently about preparing players for the DCV and this title should not be held hostage as the only exception, especially given that we literally didn't know it would be unobtainable until last week. [i]Chronicler is literally THE ONLY thing going into the DCV that is unobtainable due to time-gating. All other time-gated activities have been altered to prepare players for DCV.[/i] Thank you for reading and I hope this will bring adequate feedback about the issue to Bungie's attention.[/quote] Who cares its a shitty dumb title

I’m still curious as to why people are complaining when chronicler was released in forsaken. That is two years, they should have devoted time to get the title.

I had also just recently posted a few on this issue and I'm so glad that other people have the same opinions as myself on this topic, I agree that the team behind triumphs should make this seal easier because when moments of triumph had dropped they made many things easier for people to get. What was even more funny was that even at the start of the season they had even made the dredgen title easier by not having players needing to get the collections badge meaning that they made even that title easier even before moments of triumph had come out (the ghost shell was most likely the problem because it being locked behind rank 3 for gambit). Something else I've seen, some of the moderators or other people on the forums don't even answer to these posts even when it might or might not be there job in doing so.