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A word to new players.

To new players - I have been playing the game for about 1 week, so I am a new player myself. However I have chosen to uninstall the game. So, I felt it was important to mention this, as I would have greatly appreciated this message 1 week ago. First issue - The only way to 'contact' Bungie is through this forum style communique. That is correct, privacy has apparently gone out of style. I'll remind you. Path of Exile, Warframe, Eve Online, WoW, and many other popular games have private means to send messages to customer service. It is wildly unprofessional. Second issue - Gun 'skins' in the game are not universal. Therefore you can only apply certain skins to certain guns. Armor skins are somewhat universal but their customizability is limited to 'shaders'. Which are limited and set. You can not edit specific parts of the shaders, they are set in stone. They are also consumable, meaning they cost in game materials to apply them to items. Although the cost is rather trivial, but why does this cost even exist? I payed for them, why do I have to keep paying for them. They feel like a loan, rather than a purchase. Armor skins only fit their specific class. So a 'Hunter' set can only apply to hunters. This was not a significant issue for myself, but I thought I would mention it because I assumed they could apply to every class. Third issue - The game itself does not hold your hand. You will need to google many many things. There were many occasions where I could not find an answer on any site about what exactly I had to do. I was eventually forced to ask random players in game completely off-mission questions. Perhaps this is my problem, I can admit that, but I thought I would mention this as well. Just as a heads up. Prepare to be googling and youtubing. Fourth issue - Shadow Keep, I could go on for a while about how bad shadow keep is, but I don't need too. You can look yourself at the steam reviews. Fifth issue - Character customization is very limited. There are very few options to chose from. Also, anything you do to your character is permanent. You can not change anything about them, not even their hair. Not exactly a big deal unless you are a perfectionist like myself. Then it is a big deal. There is also no way to see the other weapons in your character screen. If say you want to see a specific shader for both your character and your secondary in the character screen, well you can't. It is also really strange that you cant delete shaders more easily. The game has been for a while now and nothing of significance has been added. That was particularly disappointing for me. I intentionally arrive at games late, so I expect a smooth experience and a massive degree of content. Sixth issue - Connection problems to many of the areas in the game are very serious and rather ubiquitous as far as I can tell. The crucible for example is terrible and causes me to completely avoid it. Seventh issue - You have basically no voice in the game. Your actual character never speaks at all. Its just bizarre. #8 - The random nature of engrams. You have no idea what these pink/gold blobs are going to be. It feels empty, and so often you get duplicates. I suppose this might just be me, but it really sucks to find a pink one only for it to be a duplicate. Which feels so strange for someone to have only been in the game for a week. Are there really this few weapons/armors, etc? #9 - This one is certainly personal, but it is a huge issue for me. The story. I have done a lot of the missions in game and the story is so boring and basic. I could have produced a better script. In fact, anyone could. #10 - I never played the first Destiny but I feel like their should be more classes than just 3. These classes are very cookie cutter. A witch, a solider, and a ranger basically. Story old as time. Although I didn't play the first game, if you did I do know that nothing from the first one transfers to this one. This feels a little off for me. Especially if you spent money on cosmetics. Path of Exile is about to release their sequel and everything from the first game transfers to the new one. #11 - The PVP in this game is unbearable for myself. I don't know how to phrase it proper its so frustrating. Although that might be a myopic statement because its not clear to me that any game gets PVP perfect. #12 - My final issue is the 'mentors' on the forum here. What power do they actually have? Who knows. While they seem helpful, if you have a serious issue, can they actually address it? I get the vibe that they are a buffer. In the same way that the Warframe devs 'screen' their player feedback. Am I missing something here? Who pays for all this stuff, the players do. More important the players give you the most valuable resource they own. Time. And for this resource we get buffers and screeners, and mentors. Its freaking pathetic. In closing. This was specific to new players. I trust that veterans might not understand, but these are just some things I wish I had known before I spent $100 of gun 'skins' that can't fit to anything I actually own. LOL. So perhaps I am an idiot for not reading the bold print. I just assumed they were universal. (JK) However, ultimately for me it came down to 3 major issues. The 'forum' style communication, with no real way to contact them. That alone feels insidious. The lack of customization, can't change your character after you make them, no universal weapon skins, limited number for ships/speeder you can hold. And the story, it sucks. Yet, to be honest seeing the first issue would have caused me to not install the game from the start. Oh well. Thanks, hope this helps.

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  • 1. Very thoughtful reply. Seriously. 2. With all due respect, your critique sounds like someone who took up the game expecting Assassin's Creed, rather than a MMO/looter-shooter. Many of the things you dislike are common characteristics of loot-games. 3. This is the benefit of a game with a free-to-play entry point. You're free to try to the game....see if you like it...and if you don't the only thing you are out of is the time you spent learning the game. I'm currently taking this lull period in Destiny to take a deep dive into Assassin's Creed: Odyssey that I didnt' get a chance to do last year. Its an amazing game...but its a game made for a different kind fo gamer, who wants a different kind of gaming experience. AC is a a very deep RPG....but is a relatively shallow game in terms of its gameplay. Destiny is the reverse. It is a shallow RPG...but is a deep game in terms of its game play. Which is good for Destiny because its had to rely on the appeal of its game play to bail it out of a lot of problems that the mismanagement of its RPG aspects created.

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    • That about covers it. Unfortunately Bungie does not care. Their owners, L.L.C. hide behinds, only look at the cash flow. As long as the money is coming in at acceptable rates they will do NOTHING to address the issues you brought up. I started with Marathon in 1995 and I quit Destiny about ten days ago. No regrets. I'm proud that I never spent one penny at Eververse. Saints Row The Third has major customization; gender, hair, tattoos, jewelry, clothing, build type, race, etc. Giant open world and doesn't take itself seriously.

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    • https://youtu.be/xNr3P4wNk8Y

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    • Edited by Riven’s No.1 Cookie Baker: 5/28/2020 4:05:51 PM
      [quote]To new players - I have been playing the game for about 1 week, so I am a new player myself. However I have chosen to uninstall the game. So, I felt it was important to mention this, as I would have greatly appreciated this message 1 week ago. [b]you should keep playing. It gets better.[/b] First issue - The only way to 'contact' Bungie is through this forum style communique. That is correct, privacy has apparently gone out of style. I'll remind you. Path of Exile, Warframe, Eve Online, WoW, and many other popular games have private means to send messages to customer service. It is wildly unprofessional. [b]you can send ban appeals, but otherwise, there is no need to ever contact bungie[/b] Second issue - Gun 'skins' in the game are not universal. Therefore you can only apply certain skins to certain guns. Armor skins are somewhat universal but their customizability is limited to 'shaders'. Which are limited and set. You can not edit specific parts of the shaders, they are set in stone. They are also consumable, meaning they cost in game materials to apply them to items. Although the cost is rather trivial, but why does this cost even exist? I payed for them, why do I have to keep paying for them. They feel like a loan, rather than a purchase. Armor skins only fit their specific class. So a 'Hunter' set can only apply to hunters. This was not a significant issue for myself, but I thought I would mention it because I assumed they could apply to every class. [b]first, gun skins are ornaments for that gun. Shaders are EXTREMELY cheap to pull from collections. And armor ornaments are supposed to match only one class, because every class has different styles.[/b] Third issue - The game itself does not hold your hand. You will need to google many many things. There were many occasions where I could not find an answer on any site about what exactly I had to do. I was eventually forced to ask random players in game completely off-mission questions. Perhaps this is my problem, I can admit that, but I thought I would mention this as well. Just as a heads up. Prepare to be googling and youtubing. [b]do you WANT the game to hold your hand? No! There’s a challenge and mystery aspect to destiny, something you may not understand from playing all the overwatch clones out there.[/b] Fourth issue - Shadow Keep, I could go on for a while about how bad shadow keep is, but I don't need too. You can look yourself at the steam reviews. [b]shadowkeep wasn’t as bad as some people say. It wasn’t the best, and it could have had more, but it wasn’t awful.[/b] Fifth issue - Character customization is very limited. There are very few options to chose from. Also, anything you do to your character is permanent. You can not change anything about them, not even their hair. Not exactly a big deal unless you are a perfectionist like myself. Then it is a big deal. There is also no way to see the other weapons in your character screen. If say you want to see a specific shader for both your character and your secondary in the character screen, well you can't. It is also really strange that you cant delete shaders more easily. The game has been for a while now and nothing of significance has been added. That was particularly disappointing for me. I intentionally arrive at games late, so I expect a smooth experience and a massive degree of content. [b]keep your helmet on. And you just keep pointing out QoL stuff that doesn’t matter at all!!![/b] Sixth issue - Connection problems to many of the areas in the game are very serious and rather ubiquitous as far as I can tell. The crucible for example is terrible and causes me to completely avoid it. [b]this happens occasionally, but not frequently enough to be a reason to stop playing.[/b] Seventh issue - You have basically no voice in the game. Your actual character never speaks at all. Its just bizarre. [b]THIS IS INTENTIONAL!!! Oh my gosh... ok. You’re supposed to be your character. And THIS IS NOT AN RPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b] #8 - The random nature of engrams. You have no idea what these pink/gold blobs are going to be. It feels empty, and so often you get duplicates. I suppose this might just be me, but it really sucks to find a pink one only for it to be a duplicate. Which feels so strange for someone to have only been in the game for a week. Are there really this few weapons/armors, etc? [b]the loot pool has gotten smaller so you have a better chance of getting the exact weapon you want, with the perks you want.[/b] #9 - This one is certainly personal, but it is a huge issue for me. The story. I have done a lot of the missions in game and the story is so boring and basic. I could have produced a better script. In fact, anyone could. [b]lol yeah no. Forsaken is the best one, and you’re supposed to get lore from lore books and in game missions. You can read all the lore here: Ishtar-collective.net . I recommend you do so, since the lore in destiny is extremely deep and interesting, and definitely my favorite story ever. [/b] #10 - I never played the first Destiny but I feel like their should be more classes than just 3. These classes are very cookie cutter. A witch, a solider, and a ranger basically. Story old as time. Although I didn't play the first game, if you did I do know that nothing from the first one transfers to this one. This feels a little off for me. Especially if you spent money on cosmetics. Path of Exile is about to release their sequel and everything from the first game transfers to the new one. [b]no. The classes are supposed to be basic. Not complex. And stuff isn’t supposed to carry over. Destiny 2 is a COMPLETELY different game, with different loot systems, with different perks, with different mods, with different everything.[/b] #11 - The PVP in this game is unbearable for myself. I don't know how to phrase it proper its so frustrating. Although that might be a myopic statement because its not clear to me that any game gets PVP perfect. [b]gunplay in destiny is the best of any video game out there, and that’s a well known fact. But crucible is dominated by OHK weapons and auto rifles and is in a bad state right now.[/b] #12 - My final issue is the 'mentors' on the forum here. What power do they actually have? Who knows. While they seem helpful, if you have a serious issue, can they actually address it? I get the vibe that they are a buffer. In the same way that the Warframe devs 'screen' their player feedback. Am I missing something here? Who pays for all this stuff, the players do. More important the players give you the most valuable resource they own. Time. And for this resource we get buffers and screeners, and mentors. Its freaking pathetic. [b]ninjas moderate the forums. Mentors hang out in the #help section, helping people. [/b] In closing. This was specific to new players. I trust that veterans might not understand, but these are just some things I wish I had known before I spent $100 of gun 'skins' that can't fit to anything I actually own. LOL. So perhaps I am an idiot for not reading the bold print. I just assumed they were universal. (JK) [b]bruh moment. When you go to purchase an ornament, it literally says: “can be applied to this gun” and shows that gun, and whether you have it or not.[/b] However, ultimately for me it came down to 3 major issues. The 'forum' style communication, with no real way to contact them. That alone feels insidious. The lack of customization, can't change your character after you make them, no universal weapon skins, limited number for ships/speeder you can hold. And the story, it sucks. Yet, to be honest seeing the first issue would have caused me to not install the game from the start. Oh well. [b]no need to contact TONS of customization, you’ve barely scratched the surface Keep your helmet on Weapon skins are supposed to change one weapon, so that in the end, every weapon looks different. I can’t even say how bad it would be to be able to make every gun look the same. You can reacquire stuff from collections, so you don’t have to keep them in your inventory. The story is amazing.[/b] Thanks, hope this helps.[/quote] In conclusion, you’re holding destiny up to the wrong standards. You’re expecting this game to be a warframe, borderlands, fallout combo with VERY different everything. Destiny is it’s own genre. Destiny is the ONLY game like it out there. You played for one week, played like 2 story missions, and gave up. You’re a quitter. And you have no entitlement to voice your feedback. Try destiny again, get a friend to show you around. Maybe then will you understand that this game is NOTHING like ANY other game in existence. Now STOP expecting it to be that!!! Edit: To anyone who’s asking, I don’t like OP because this guy comes in like a gaming critic, expecting a flawless game, plays a few missions from the red war campaign ONLY, and says that the story is bad just based off that, and then goes on to list unimportant QoL changes LIKE THEYRE GAME-BREAKING!!!

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      • This is the funniest thing I’ve read all day 😂

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      • Spoken like a vet. Well done.

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        • ^^^ people like this is why eververse is bungies main focus instead of creating actual content.

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        • Edited by KNYoung23: 5/29/2020 1:25:56 PM
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        • Wow. Just one week to catch on what many still haven’t. I’m impressed. Many things you outlined are spot on.

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          • Sounds like you’re exactly the kind of new player Bungie wants. Someone that drops $100 on cosmetics without having any clue about what they’re actually buying. That’s not intended as a dig at you at all, it’s just how a lot of us that have been around for a while see the game setup as these days. It seems D2 would benefit from some kind of ’buddy’ system for new players. When I first started playing Warframe I got some advice from someone that helped me with navigating my way through the systems in that game.

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          • Even though new players are having a though time, Funny story: Remember that Centurion Oryx took right after you landed on the Dreadnaught, then the Centurion and the taken Ogre tried to stop you from killing the King? Heh... didn't work. So the Centurion's bond brothers are pretty angry they lost their commander. They're leading a team to blow up the Dreadnaught's core. Core goes... most of the system goes with it. You're going to make sure that doesn't happen.

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          • Edited by Shark_Shank: 5/27/2020 2:24:16 PM
            [quote]First issue - The only way to 'contact' Bungie is through this forum style communique. That is correct, privacy has apparently gone out of style. I'll remind you. Path of Exile, Warframe, Eve Online, WoW, and many other popular games have private means to send messages to customer service. It is wildly unprofessional.[/quote]Most (by a far margin) of issues do not need "private" means of contact. Public forums allow others to learn the answers to questions if they have the same issue. [quote]Third issue - The game itself does not hold your hand. You will need to google many many things. There were many occasions where I could not find an answer on any site about what exactly I had to do. I was eventually forced to ask random players in game completely off-mission questions. Perhaps this is my problem, I can admit that, but I thought I would mention this as well. Just as a heads up. Prepare to be googling and youtubing.[/quote] based on your game history, the only thing that may have required googling is the Whisper mission which is/was meant to be a secret mission. As with all games with hidden missions or secrets, it is your choice as to if you want to figure them out on your own or youtube your answer. The majority of the game is fairly self explanatory as to go here, fetch that, etc. [quote]Fourth issue - Shadow Keep, I could go on for a while about how bad shadow keep is, but I don't need too. You can look yourself at the steam reviews.[/quote] This is amazing since your account does not own Shadowkeep. [quote]#8 - The random nature of engrams. You have no idea what these pink/gold blobs are going to be. It feels empty, and so often you get duplicates. I suppose this might just be me, but it really sucks to find a pink one only for it to be a duplicate. Which feels so strange for someone to have only been in the game for a week. Are there really this few weapons/armors, etc?[/quote]Not sure what you mean by "pink" ones, as the engrams in game are white, green, blue, purple, and gold. As for how many there are, there is 2,296 weapons and armor in the game. [quote]#9 - This one is certainly personal, but it is a huge issue for me. The story. I have done a lot of the missions in game and the story is so boring and basic. I could have produced a better script. In fact, anyone could.[/quote] You have not even finished the base game campaign. [quote]#11 - The PVP in this game is unbearable for myself. I don't know how to phrase it proper its so frustrating. Although that might be a myopic statement because its not clear to me that any game gets PVP perfect.[/quote] Curious as to where this statement is based as your account has no pvp activity [quote]#12 - My final issue is the 'mentors' on the forum here. What power do they actually have? Who knows. While they seem helpful, if you have a serious issue, can they actually address it? I get the vibe that they are a buffer. In the same way that the Warframe devs 'screen' their player feedback. Am I missing something here? Who pays for all this stuff, the players do. More important the players give you the most valuable resource they own. Time. And for this resource we get buffers and screeners, and mentors. Its freaking pathetic.[/quote] Mentors are volunteers who help out on the forums. They have answers directly Bungie on many of the common issues ( and most issues are fairly common) they also have methods of communication with the actual player support accounts (BNGHelp) for issue beyond their knowledge base.

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            • A word to new players: . . . . . . RUN!!

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            • 🤧😭

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            • That's a lot of feedback from someone that's played a game for one week. I know if I played a game for a week, I'm not going to their forums to write an essay.

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              • You should play Destiny 1 if you want the original experience. Destiny 2 is a Frankenstein mess, the result of constantly changing direction, bandaids, reskins, and nerfs/buffs. It’s spent so long not knowing what it wanted to be that now it has multiple identities all fighting each other, without the loot pool or playable story to make the effort worthwhile. Destiny 1 had many of those problems but also had more resources, clearer vision, a better foundation and ended up in a pretty good place in year 3. Come back to Destiny 2 in a year when the dust settles, I can’t promise it won’t change [i]again[/i] but at least the current shifts will be over.

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              • Edited by lCertifiedl: 5/28/2020 1:08:30 PM
                Unfortunately 1 weeks is no where near enough time to judge a game and play all the content and see all of it. So either, your lying about how long you have been playing or haven't given it enough time to make a decision based on all aspects of the game. Don't get me wrong the game is awful at the moment but still stand by the above.

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                • Yeah this game really sucks

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                  • Feedback is always good. Don’t forget the game is also free to play now. So at least new players aren’t beholden to splash cash out. There’s plenty of good stuff on offer for free and it’s well known that improvements are needed. Let’s hope the next season and fall expansion are going to be awesome.

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                  • Probably for the best with all those complaints All the best

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                  • You made a wise choice uninstalling

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                  • 1. and 12. It's very true. Volunteers essentially do all the escalation rather than any employee. 2. The shader system is very basic. Nothing like the mult-shader, multi- texture of games like Anthem. An excellent Shader 2.0 video was made by a fan...worth digging to find just for interest. 3. Here's a top secret: this is done DELIBERATELY to create traffic, to fuel YouTuber, Forums, Reddit, etc in order to digitally promote the game. 7. You start with no voice and in later cut scenes they add one. 11. There is little help for beginners in PvP. Skill based will partly adjust but you will certainly face far, far better equipped players leveraging their every advantage. It's a game largely of exploits. Closing: worse than that for those $ skins is all of those non-exotics are set to be made effectively defunct. Good luck in your future gaming.

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                  • Edited by OhtheHugeManity5: 5/28/2020 8:29:59 AM
                    Interesting to see you list so many points about the customisation system. I think that it's pretty good. Character creation may be a bit basic, but that's because you spend barely any time out of your armour anyway. Which means that for customisation it's all about which armour you choose and what shaders you use with it. Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your own opinions and I definitely agree with half of your points (mostly about Shadowkeep being underwhelming and the servers). But it's uncommon that someone criticises the customisation so heavily and I find that intriguing. Your emphasis on it does give me the impression that maybe you were expecting a different kind of game though.

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                  • You're in the right. With how the game is now, it's impossible for any new players to come into the game.

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                  • Edited by Yosemite Sam: 5/28/2020 3:14:15 AM
                    🤣🤣🤣😂 Not laughing at you, I'm laughing at how fast the normal people that troll jumped on this post. You made a wise choice to uninstall. Just a heads up, you didn't even scratch the surface of what's actually wrong with the gamer. 1. Their engine is a huge issue 2. P2P 3. Bad net coding for almost 6 years now and they still blame the player base 4. Some Xbox player are literally locked out of the game and have been for almost 3 months became of bad coding 5. For almost 6 years now player have been getting kicked to their home screen on their console, having to resign back in and restart the game 6. PC with the new light system invited the hacking, cheating, etc... that has tripled since the first game and it is out of this company's control because of P2P. 7 management https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Bungie-Seattle-Reviews-EI_IE284423.0,6_IL.7,14_IM781.htm 8. Them working on their new IP that takes away from this game on what needs to be fixed. https://gamerant.com/destiny-2-bungie-ip-matter-different/ 9. Misleading the play base saying: [quote] Eververse wasn't meant to be endgame content[/quote] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qnr35_sZw&t=475s 10. XP throttling among other things throttled in this game 11. Sunsetting weapons/gear only to resell you what you have already acquired 12. Moderators hiding posts https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/256139584 This game is broken

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                  • wtf is a pink engram? are you colorblind?

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