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4/2/2020 1:31:29 PM
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Hackers and how to deal with them

I've seen tons of misinformation regarding how Bungie needs to go about dealing with hackers. This will simply be an informational post to raise awareness on HOW to fight cheating. IP bans will not work. VPN's get around this. Hardware bans (ban their PC) will not work because you can spoof your hardware ID. Account bans will not work because the game is free to play and you can hit soft cap (960) in about 2 days. The game needs anti-cheat software that detects the injecting of files foreign to the game files of destiny and bans the account immediately. There needs to be a checks and balancing system, even if it's a file that reads the TOTAL number of files in a game and makes sure all the necessary ones are there. For example, if the D2 game file had 75 individual files, and you opened it with 76 you'd be banned. If you delete a file to make room for another file, the game would recognize an essential file missing and ban you as well. Just thought i'd share some knowledge to get discussions about hacking a bit more educated. Thanks for reading! -Wish

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  • Informational post. Thanks for that. But stop doing paid Carries to the lighthouse. U are part of another problem.

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    • Putting trials into the seasonal pass content would help too imo, 10€ per account would dissuade a lot of cheaters.

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      • Edited by FenrirSama26: 4/3/2020 7:30:11 AM
        Destiny should have just stayed on Consoles exclusively.

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        • #PAYWALL is the only way AND having an ANTI CHEAT that ACTUALLY Works. If Bunghole expects us to believe they will create something that will actually work they are preaching to the wrong Crowd. They've Failed so many times I've lost count a long time ago....

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          • Just lock free to play out of trials and comp

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            • The hacks people are using don't copy files into the Destiny directory. Your solution wouldn't solve the issue at all.

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            • I understand there is nothing illegal in what you do and everyone is free to spend their money as they want, but you can’t act as if the service you offer isn’t part of the problem.

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              • I'm surprised there is no 'silent referee' that can detect that a player has been killed 10 times in 5 seconds if they use some resurrection hack (i've seen a lot of streamers clips of them repeatedly killing the same guy a bunch of times before they themselves get killed and the hacker wins the round), or detect that heavy ammo is present in non-heavy rounds, or a 100 rockets are being fired at 1000rpm, or a player is on one side of the map gets a kill then gets a kill on another player on the opposite side of the map. Something that can detect someone using a super in every single round, or is receiving hundreds of points of damage but not dying, then bans that player and ends the match immediately as a win for the non-cheating team.

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              • Just stop destiny being free.

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                • Or just get dedicated servers 🤔

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                  • To be fair, wish, you count every single kill against you as ‘hacking’ or ‘cheating,’ as if no one can ever kill you legitimately; no one is better than you and you never make mistakes. So I’d be worried if you took over the anti-cheat system.

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                    • More countries need to make it a felony, like some already have. And switch to console if you want to play pvp, pc cheater race will always have a problem with hacks.

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                      • Meh the source is always there if its masked or hidden. I just don't think Bungie is willing to get into forensics.

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                      • Wonder if Bungie could file criminal charges against those hackers....

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                      • I find it amusing that people still take PvP in this game seriously enough to even bother cheating lol

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                        • Do whar GTA did so all the cheaters can only match against each other in servers.

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                          • Edited by RetroMonos: 4/4/2020 2:08:14 AM
                            Here from the #Paywall thread: Why are ninjas locking and banning so much more recently. Every 10-20 posts I see there’s a locked one, sometimes 2 next to each other. IMO I think the fact that the ninjas are locking so much reflects the state of the game Edit: all of the #Paywall threads are being locked under the terms of “intended disruption”, whatever that’s supposed to mean

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                            • Or #PAYWALL

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                              • How to deal with them. Just dont play. Then maybe bungie will get off their arse and fix shit.

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                              • my solution is , dont play pvp on this game.

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                                • You know if they did they did all three maybe that would work and if a vpn or whatever is used and detected that it would ban as soon as the game was logged on to. I mean at this point the real only way to curb cheating or hacking in the sense of people manipulating game files like I knew would be a problem especially on pc. The solution would be to remove the game from pc altogether and even making people who bought the game not be able to play it because the service for it was shit down. On Xbox and PlayStation there are not as many cheaters and they are easier to deal with by banning IP address or implementing an anti cheat software that scans for any foreign files or jail broken systems and literally since a virus or something to brick a players console forcing them to buy a whole new console and if they try again the console would be bricked. I mean people have money. But constantly spending money to fix or replace a console is to much for some. Same could be done with pc as well by the game sending a virus or something that makes it where those over 1 thousand dollar pc are unplayable. I mean I own a pc but it’s use is modding Skyrim and fallout 4. I will not play destiny or any other fps piece of shit on my computer. Single player games only. I have a PlayStation to play other games on and I prefer to keep it that way. So I mean either bungie and many other game companies need to start looking into better security or going after cheaters instead of protecting them because of money or someone needs to get mad enough to start sending codes or whatever that would brick someone’s gaming console of choice. I’m glad I haven’t played this season yet. Trials was the final nail in the coffin like I knew it would be.

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                                • Anti cheat is like malware and also beatable. You have two options. Quit PC. Wait for D3

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                                  • I know a better solution. Disable Trials on PC. Problem solved.

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                                    • And what about stuff like Cronusmax?

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                                      • Yeah and whenever Steam decides to crap out and corrupt the game files = ban. There are 2 ways to mitigate the cheaters ( stop calling the hackers, because they are not... ). 1. Proper Anti-Cheat, this requires huge amount of man hours and someone who knows what they are doing, Bungie tried to block "everything", unfortunately people got banned by using a certain version of AMD/Nvidia drivers because they had an overlay, MSI afterburner showing FPS on overlay was considered injection etc = they don't know what they are doing. Only real way to stop cheats is for the dev to actual get the cheats and take them apart and prevent similar cheats from working in the future, just blocking an executable is a workaround until the next version comes out. 2. Money! Good ol' pay if you want to play. Content such as Trials should be behind the season pass and maybe even a certain level of the season pass but you can't just charge for Trials you have to have actual content in the season pass, which it currently does not. Content isn't just a few items, there has to be more.

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                                      • Edited by acia zemko: 4/3/2020 1:04:41 AM
                                        Sounds like a pc problem, I don’t do online FPS games with pc for a reason.

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