I'm not even going to read that rant. Fact is that----via his Director's Cuts----Smith has been giving us an almost unprecedented level of transparency into what is going on with the game, with Bungie....and where they intend to take the game in the long term. But your rant is why game developers generally avoid doing what Smith has been doing. Because by the time whatever they say gets run through all sorts of expectations, second-hand accounts, out-of-context renditions, and hostile-and-agenda-ridden interpretations..... ...what comes out the other side is so twisted that it bears little resemblance to what was actually said. TLDR: Smith has never lied to this community. You just have a lot of angry people who see this game becoming something they don't personally like or want....and need someone to blame for it.

Do you think the game is to hardcore? Literally they are back on the give everyone everything train and just made a season around a public event! It doesn’t get any more casual than this game right now. Just because they make you run in circles on the hamster wheel to trick people into thinking there is actually content does not make it Grindy or hardcore. That’s the problem they made the game so casual and easy then made you do that same activity over and over so people claim it’s grindy.

Bungie made the game for casuals and 11 millions people left. You think they should return to that?

You lost me when your first complaint was about the promise about Destiny becoming a casual game, then following that up with praising Forsaken. Nothing about Forsaken was targeted for casuals. Just another rant among the useless pile.

[quote]Forsaken was slightly a better direction yet they brought back every Crutch weapon (moved those Shotguns, Snipers, Fusions to both Second and First slots) then came the apes again. [/quote] You take that out right now! Forsaken and everything in that expansion was the best state Destiny 2 has ever been in. If you liked D2 Y1 then you can get the -blam!- out of Destiny, you aren’t welcome here.

It surprises me that this post has as many upvotes as it does. No one wants casual easy. D1 ended in a good spot. That's what I want. Hard shit that I can do with or without a team.

Bro.. Not even the casuals wanted it to be casual. Everyone wanted something different and that was entertaining. ABOVE ALL, evolving! The gun play mechanics are off the hook and so are graphics (I prefer D1 graphics tho) but they fell flat with ACTUAL CONTENT and tried to just keep everyone content. They confused the meaning of the two words.

[quote]Does anyone remember when this game was released, it was going to be for the casuals, but then the content creators and people with 0 life that spent it all in game started complaining, so Luke Smith came back out and threw the bounties back at us from D1 and said to us “this game is no longer about the casuals” and so they lost over 300,000 people in a season.[/quote] Funny, that's not how I remember it. I remember Luke Smith saying the game was for casuals, the ENTIRE forums having a riot, and the game dropping in players by 80% after the first month. 🤔 But yeah, you're probably right. The first year of Destiny 2 was probably a golden age, and I'm just not remembering correctly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[quote]Does anyone remember when this game was released, it was going to be for the casuals, but then the content creators and people with 0 life that spent it all in game started complaining, so Luke Smith came back out and threw the bounties back at us from D1 and said to us “this game is no longer about the casuals” and so they lost over 300,000 people in a season. Forsaken dropped and brought people back hoping things have changed, Activision was getting all the finger pointing, all the blame for everything wrong with Destiny, and then Luke Smith wrote that long “Liars Handshake” of a BS letter to the community about the hardships of being a manager and the developers being overworked and so on, for pity after we just heard from another company about how hard the “crunch” was. Forsaken was slightly a better direction yet they brought back every Crutch weapon (moved those Shotguns, Snipers, Fusions to both Second and First slots) then came the apes again. Shadowkeep: Luke Smith returns with a directors cut, we get Viddocs explaining that “we are going to be taking Crucible apart and making it Healthy again (as they buff AutoRifles into God Tier hip fire status) they bring back Trials (still busted) and everyone that complained about Activision is watching Bungie continue to have Errors on every Tuesday reset since because the developers have 0 idea what they are doing. The programmers are just “insert here” and watch it go. Only the past week or two has there been a decrease in disconnects due to a lack of players. Why is it that this game had been solely blamed on Activision until they left and the company showed that their true colors are “let’s lie to the community over and over and not do anything productive” Luke Smith also complains that there’s no enough space to keep adding, yet everytime we see a Hotfix/Patch there is another UI added that didn’t need to be there? Useless data much? Wasting space I see? There was absolutely 0 point to a “hints” bar when I fly everywhere that I can’t turn off. Or the fire team being shown as 6 when I’m flying around since you just HAD to implement that instead of security on the server. The amount of decisions being made by this company is astoundingly only pointed at Content Creators which makes the casuals who started kicking off your Activision free campaign with investing in you to get your crap together is being punished by your decisions. The people that made you are being pushed out and disrespected by your words everytime you sit there and write about what SHOULD be next. You never deliver. BUNGIE never delivers. Don’t give us stuff to keep us complacent, give us the content YOU promised. Stop feeding us BS and expect us not to snap when we buy the content that we were promised, to be completely disappointed. Season of the Worthy was purely for Trials only and we are well aware that your company only rushed to do this horrible Seraph tower event because someone called you out before hand that Trials would be the ONLY thing you focused on, and with the poor explanation of what to do at the towers, the poor reward system for completions and the lack of “I really want to do this” is gone. BUNGIE has destroyed Destiny 2 and the only people to fix it are the people willing to speak the truth and not tolerate being lied to. The elitist whos pockets are growing fat from paid recoveries won’t tell them the truth. They are exploiting people all the time and Bungie even promotes it. Twitch Prime rewards: you know, for the only people that pay for other people to pay them to play your game. Yeah thanks, so in other words the people who have continued to pay Eververse for hopes of a better game (since you complain about the income) we don’t ever nor will we ever be appreciated for bailing your company out of bankruptcy. 🤷🏻‍♂️ but hey, screw us right? The fact that if you even take 100,000 people and add all the DLC from Destiny 2 base game (before it was free) and think about the collectors editions, the multi-console Seasonal Passes and so on, we run your company. We paid for each one of those employees paychecks, and in return in you decide to only care about the Content Creators? This is the money hungry, disconnected Bungie that you all worship now? The people that cry about being worked hard by Activision that slave drive YOU the same way and expect nothing less? Doesn’t that seem a bit screwed to anyone else? I wish I could find the article about them complaining about not going home to their loved ones because mean old Activision. Yet you make us grind for the same amount of time for less than a paycheck, and continue to find this to be acceptable. This is what needs to be changed about Bungie and Destiny. No MATTER the amount of time spent in game. OUR time matters. Some of us are 20+ year Halo vets that came over to support our childhood company and in response we (the generation that helped start you) are disrespected and treated like we never paid for your hospital bills, your vacations, hell most of us helped pay for your house that you started a family in. All we ask in return is respect for our time. You ask for us to not jump down your throat when something happens yet you demand the opposite in our situation. Golden Rule: due on to others as you would like done onto you In short: don’t be a greedy, lying, toxic, disrespectful company Or the community will be built of only this and pay it back in full.[/quote] Very good post friend. Sadly, it will fall on deaf ears. As long as you have the clownpunchers spending money at eververse things won't change. It's a shame, too. I used to love Destiny. I have every paid content drop except shadowkeep, including everything for D1. I'd rather they kept charging for the base game instead making it pay 2 win......errrr......I mean free. These guys will [b][i]never[/i][/b] listen to those of us who aren't streamers or spending a ton of cash at their bullshit store. The new players who see that it's free won't know any better and freely hand over their cash, encouraging this type of behavior. Their focus [b][i][u]NEEDS[/u][/i][/b] to be on worthwhile content. Not useless trinkets locked behind a paywall. It's funny how that particular aspect of the game is never broken and constantly updated with fresh stuff. It's sad that the company who gave us Halo has turned into just another greedy game dev who has turned a deaf ear to the majority so they can lick the boots of a small handful of people. Sad, shameful, and embarrassing.

Then move the hell on. Good riddance. Take your toxicity elsewhere.