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Edited by Soul: 11/20/2019 10:16:32 PM
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So this is the 'Vision' then?

6 months ago 'Shadowkeep and Undying are going to be showing the true vision of an independent Bungee' 6 months later that vision seems to boil down to.... Very poorly implemented game systems (yes, I'm looking at you armor 2.0) that much of the community agrees is fundamentally flawed and actually worse than the previous system in many ways. Double down on cosmetics with more items than ever in the store and at higher prices Same old bugs - seriously, how many times now has Xur been bugged? 5? 6? How many times has telesto broken the game? How many times have FPS issues been present? Uninspired content - Vex offensive, more boring than previous content and more grindy Lame exotics - Xenophage and Leviathan. Novelty points for about 2 kills then you realise you're better off with pretty much any other weapon Lack of loot in end game activities. Nightfalls have no unique loot but apparently this is becuase 'sparrows and ghosts were less desired as rewards by the community'. You know what the community finds even less desirable....no loot at all! Overhyped events added to the roadmap that actually equate to a reskinned boss in an already boring activity. No new mechanics, no new enemies, no new loot, no new story to go with it. I think Bungee needs to have an emergency meeting and radically alter thier 'vision' before it's too late. Even the Steam reviews are tanking. *Edit - Wow, wasn't expecting this to gather so much traction so thank you to anyone who's taken the time to comment/vote. I will note that my original tone when I wrote this perhaps comes across harsher than it was meant to be and that while I've only noted negative things, there are a few good things too. This being said, I personally feel the negative pretty far outwieghs the postive, hence my post. Overall, my point was more referring to the fact that it seems there's just not enough resource being put into the game to make it engaging and for it to live up the potential that we can see it has. As a result, we are left with the issues noted above (among others). Bungie were adamant they were now free to now make the game great but what we've got doesn't feel like it's moving in that direction. Moving forward, not only does the content need be better thought out, but there needs to be more of it. You can't be a live service action mmo rpg fps (maybe I missed some more genres they want to be?) without content that keeps players online.
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  • Just wait till next season with no Shadowkeep to bulk it up, that'll be where things really start to fall apart.

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    • Can't believe anyone would believe this wouldn't happen.

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    • Bump. If you are wondering why all these things are the way they are let me enlighten you. The idea is to offer a pass up front to get as much money as possible right away, next is to spend as little as absolutely necessary on the “new” content (this helps maximize profits). Then budget a certain amount for hyping the next product (this is to make all of the pissed-off people who bought the last thing forget why they were mad in the first place so they will buy again). Rinse and repeat. Its worked for five years now and will continue to work because we are stupid. All of the nerfing is done so that no money needs to be spent developing challenging content, saves even more cash! In a sense nerfing and re-skinning actually serve the same purpose.

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      • Destiny 2 released with the same character faces and hairstyles as Destiny 1. If they can't up that, what chance has the rest got?

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        • Shadowkeep is the only DLC from Destiny that I never bought. I stayed with Bungie for as long as I could possibly rationalize the ridiculous grind with a lack of reward. Cheaply made content and Everver$e are the new normal. No more large scale D1 content. You will pay for quarterly events, with repeating activities. That's it. All old content and activities are left behind. Vendors are largely ignored. Bungie is not the same team they were when D1 was in its prime.

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          • Dont forget, we would have the feel "i was there"!

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              Too true. And well said. I feel like, and I don't mean this as an insult to Bungo's intelligence, that they're a bunch of monkeys playing with Legos, attempting to see what works, but never really accomplishing anything. Its like they have tools at their disposal to create, but don't necessarily know how. I often compare them to Gearbox, and in turn Borderlands. These guys ooze with talent. They know how their engine works, they know what they can do with it, and more importantly what they can't, they know what people like about the series, and they act upon it to push out awesome entries, every time, in the Borderlands series. As reference, I believe Paul Sage said it took them just a few months to transition over to UE4, and really get the ball rolling on development. It takes Bungo that long to talk about a singular update.

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            • Edited by DeathPony07: 11/20/2019 11:19:13 PM
              I've never seen a more incompetent developer than Bungie. What do their hundreds of employees do all day? How do you go from the amazing Age of Triumph to the dumpster fire that is D2? They literally removed every improvement they made to D1 when they made D2. What kind of sense does that make? They had to go free to play because of their own incompetence ffs. Nobody would buy Destiny 2. This franchise had so much potential. Wtf happened?

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              • Edited by Commodore_Guff: 11/21/2019 2:41:12 AM
                Bungie is probably the least competent of all current AAA Dev studios. Obviously there are worse studios (those mobile scam ones, for instance) but holy hell I've had enough of this garbage. What a shitshow

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                  There’s more unique items in eververse this season than in the ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME. That in itself should tell you the biggest problem with shadowkeep

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                  • What you eventually realize after playing this game for about a month is that it is as wide as a continent and as shallow as a rapidly evaporating puddle. There IS a lot of content in this game but much of it is as boring and unrewarding as watching grass grow.

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                    • Who puts that out and thinks “Yeah they’ll love it” definitely not comparable to menagerie or even gambit prime even if I’m not a big fan of gambit

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                    • Destiny should have been an epic Game of Thrones, Bladerunner, Dune type of saga...instead of the over-muscled, perfect-teeth, badly scripted and acted, Texan accent in a wizards cloak, straight to Netflix, ‘wish I could get those two hours back’ shell of a thing we have now...

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                      • Yeah, if this is the kind of content to expect in the future there's really nothing to look forward to.

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                      • Want to add "time-gated" to that uninspired content?

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                        • You forgot the massive increase of using FOMO tactics to get people to keep playing and spending. Until about halfway through the players just decide "you know what, -blam!- it. I'll miss out. Isn't worth it anyway."

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                            • Bungie vision = a lazy eye

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                            • Well, the "vision", ever since D2 stumbled into the market, has been to re-use assets until the player base feels like jumping off a cliff. Maybe that's why every boss in this game stomps you off a cliff. It's subliminal messages to us.

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                              • Don't mind me, I'm just here to read the comments, grab some popcorn and look for people who actually are willing to keep paying for this, and are willing to buy into yet another "season".. * popcorn emote *

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                                • Honestly, if they're looking for feedback, there it is in the first post. Sort your game out Bungie, ffs.

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                                • Its time for Bungie to fire the more useless upper management people involved with the game and replace them with people who will actually make an effort to do their job well

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                                • We need Trials to return desperately.

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                                  • That’s what happens when a product brands itself. Some people don’t like it. Only problem here is that Bungie should have done this years ago.

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                                  • Great points to me it boils down to so many people accepting them giving us back exotics from d1 and calling it content. That Has given them the idea that it’s ok and they can get away with it. Also A lot of content creators make a living off the game so they have become cheerleaders instead of objective fans that hurts the game. Having me go shoot 100 thrall and giving me a weapon you made 4 years ago is not content and just changing out a boss on a existing mode is Absolutely NOT content.

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                                  • Edited by Obileekenobi: 11/21/2019 7:20:50 AM
                                    Completely agree. "An ever evolving world", or actually a slowly created portal in the tower that takes you to the same place you've been a hundred times. Very creative, top marks.

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