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Edited by A Rising Wind: 9/15/2016 1:08:23 AM
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The identity of the Exo Stranger is......

Chioma Esi, Ishtar scientist. Her lover, Maya Sundaresh, is generally the most popular candidate but I believe is incorrect. And I’ll explain why. But for those not familiar with the concept of why Maya could be the exo stranger, I’ll show the logic on why both her and Chioma are the likely candidates, then explain why Chioma is the more likely of the two. “I was not forged in light”. Right from the in game cut scene. The exo stranger is not a guardian, so that eliminates the candidate pool pretty heavily. We also know that Exos were once humans, and it is reasonable to conclude that female exos were female humans, and male exos were male humans. Cayde was a human male before becoming an exo. So we are looking for human females, which narrows the list further. Next step, from Rasputin 4. Now I am 100% sure this card is a conversation between our friendly neighborhood warmind, Rasputin, and our topic of discussion, the Exo Stranger. From that card, a few key words: “…and you’re certainly not MINE, although once you must have been…” So what Rasputin is saying here, is that he did not play a role in the exo stranger’s creation as a time traveler. But the “once you must have been” statement indicates Rasputin’s role in the creation of the exos. So he is basically saying, I helped create the Exos, but you are something different that I wasn’t a part of. There is something else he means by “not MINE”. Rasputin assumed control of the Exo’s before the collapse, so in order for the Exo stranger to exist as an Exo, but not be Rasputin’s pin points a time frame in the Golden Age in which the exo stranger must have been created not only as an exo, but also have her time traveling abilities. The Exo Stranger existed before the collapse. So human female from the golden age is where we look. Maya and Chioma are among the few known characters that meet that requirement (General Chen Lanshu is another, Old Russia 3, but it can’t be her because Rasputin had already taken control of the Exos by that point). Both were heavily involved in the golden age Vex research on alternate timelines/realities, so that uniquely positions them as being intimately familiar with the very thing the Exo Stranger can do: time travel. They were the ones who uploaded 227 copies of themselves into the Vex network (along with two other scientists). And we know from Cayde’s journal, that in his early days as an Exo, he knew Maya, so she was aware of the Exos. Maya was doing research on the Device, which is the one that lets people view other timelines. So female, check. Golden age, check. Familiar with Exos, check. Timeline researcher, check. And at the end of the Vex 5 card, Maya personally enters the Device. She makes a lot of sense. Except she is not the Exo Stranger. She is not because: 1) She wasn’t an exo when she entered the device. 2) The device doesn’t allow time travel, just allows people to view other timelines. So why does Chioma make more sense? Read the first few lines of Vex 5, Maya was sending her log notes to Chioma. So reading those notes, Chioma would have known that Maya put herself in the machine and that it probably killed her. And that the reason Maya entered the device was she was looking for one of those 227 copies of Chioma in another timeline out of loneliness, since they had been apart so long. Also, Chioma is noted as working on another project, somewhere far away, called Hyperion. There is no discussion anywhere in grimoire about what the Hyperion project is. But we know Bungie likes easter eggs, and Hyperion is a popular sci fi novel about….. Time travel. Possibly? So Chioma, upon finding out that her lover, her wife actually, entered the device looking for her, would be uniquely positioned with the technology (Hyperion if my speculation is correct), the motivation (find her wife), and the equipment (Exo technology) to fix it. What I think happened is Chioma in finding out Maya was gone, took on an Exo form (recognizing from her previous Vex research and from Maya’s logs, that the human mind was too weak to survive the time travel) and used her Hyperion project to go find Maya in time. I made another post about the Exo Stranger 2 card. One thing that is interesting about that card that I didn’t touch on in that post, is that the tone of all the journal entries isn’t “I’m a badass, veteran, time traveling warrior here to push back the darkness”, which is the way she comes across in the in game cut scenes. The entries are like she is just coming to learn about the darkness, the Hive, the Vex, and how they all inter relate. As if that is not the reason why she was traveling through time, but more like something she started to discover [i] after[/i] she started traveling through time. I think it is because fighting the darkness is not the original purpose of the Exo Stranger. It was originally because she was looking for Maya. Now for some true speculation on my part. I think as Chioma sought out Maya, she started to experience what the people who entered the device saw: everything ending in darkness. In time, her purpose changed. I think it changed because she encountered someone else who was very interested in the Vex and the darkness, Osiris. I think they allied together and are still working on stopping the darkness. I do think Chioma found Maya by the way. Maybe one of the 227 Chioma’s had met one of the 227 Mayas, and the Exo Stranger Chioma let them be and answered the higher purpose (fighting the darkness). Or maybe since the darkness always won, Chioma realized she had to stop the darkness to save Maya. Regardless, this is why I believe Chioma is the exo stranger. She meets the grimoire requirements and has the motivation. And lastly, her personality seems to fit better too. Maya seemed too…timid. But as they say in Vex 4, as the escaped the Vex simulation, Chioma is the leader.
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  • Maya and the team werent in human bodies. They were in proxy bodies. Maya clearly states that they wont last long but over time in the network they will upgrade themselves.

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  • I always thought is was lisa ann

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    • John Cena!

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    • That... Is.. VERY Interesting... I like it...

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    • That's some good old fashioned plausible theory you've got cooking there bud. Good read.

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    • You're probably correct. Bungo won't confirm this shit until year 10 doe. I am a week 1 player and have no idea 99.9999999% of the shit of what you wrote is.

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      • I expected John Cena.

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        • Edited by WarjackPrime: 9/15/2016 5:15:14 PM
          This is interesting but I suspect a moot point. The fact that the traveler and exo stranger haven't been mentioned since the original Destiny supports the theories that the story has been ripped up and redone and honestly just plain -blam!-ed up. Why havn't the traveler or exo stranger been part of the story in any of the expansions since Destiny launched? When is the last time the speaker was even mentioned? After playing this game from day one, reading online theories such as this and reading through the Grimoire I have no idea what is going on. Bungie has made no effort to explain anything that happened in the original Destiny in the last two years. Don't get me wrong, The Taken King was great and it sounds like Rise of Iron is great but they have nothing to do with the traveler or the "main" story at all.

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          • Is it Henry Kelly from the hit UK daytime quiz show "Going for Gold"? I always thought he had something special about him.

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            • Nice read. Never took the time to research the grimoire quite so much. But here's my 2 pennies anyhow 2 years into a 10 year game. We may only have 20% of the whole story yet. And this thing being so damn confusing at first may have been the plan all along. Or am I just really hoping it's a bit more organized than it seems...?

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              • ...at what point was it revealed exos were formerly humans?

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                  [quote]it is reasonable to conclude that female exos were female humans, and male exos were male humans. Cayde was a human male before becoming an exo. So we are looking for human females, which narrows the list further. [/quote] [i][u][b]DID YOU JUST ASSUME THEIR GENDERS!?!?![/b][/i][/u]

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                  • I just really hope destiny doesn't end up in some bs world like suckerpunch where you get to experience so many cool things and fight so many cool monsters but in reality youre just sitting there with your thumb up your butt while others examine your mind to explain why you act so crazy haha.

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                    • the awsner is FWC and Vex shenanigans, that's why i don't like these crazed time-space guys. Case Closed.

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                    • And here I opened the post expecting to see something like "Deej's butthole" this is well thought out I'm pleasantly surprised

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                    • My one problem with this is the assumption that the time traveling HAD to come after getting an exo body, I mean couldn't you make time travel, time travel to a time you could get an exo body- and then time travel some more. Or am I missing some detail that would render it impossible for one individual to use a different body then resume time traveling as they did as a human (aka is time traveling tied to the body or a transferable device? Because you did mention different people using the timeline device)

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                      • I really have wanted to get into the lore behind the game I've come to love so much but the cards are so cryptic and taking time to play destiny, continue progressing to play guitar and study music in college next year, and taking four AP classes, and a girlfriend has me really really worked for time. I appreciate this well thought out and explained post about the exo-stranger. Keep up these fantastic lore based posts guardian :-)))

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                        • Let me go ahead and throw a wrench in your gears here and ask, why does the exo-stranger have to come from the pool of "known characters". Maybe she's little Jenny Jones from Toledo. Her former "character" just hasn't been introduced in lore/grimoire yet.

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                          • Harambe is the exo stranger....Illuminati confirmed

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                          • Do Androids dream of electric sheep?

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                          • How can they be in love if one is a human and one is an exo? Does that.... work?

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                            • I was honestly expecting "JOHN CENA" Not sure if I'm let down, or impressed.

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                            • Where in the lore does it say exos were humans first?

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                              • Did you say she went to Hyperion. Thats a moon of saturn if im not mistakes

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                                • Edited by Architect Mind: 9/15/2016 2:29:33 PM
                                  Doesn't matter. Destiny one, shit, the whole thing is a rastputin war simulation, to see what it would take to defeat different problems, each one greater than the last.

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                                  • Edited by bobswerski: 9/15/2016 3:12:54 PM
                                    I'm not convinced that Maya was killed by the device, that's easily the biggest hole in this theory and requires a much larger leap than having the stranger be Maya. She obviously left the notes behind on purpose, they weren't just found, so you are making the assumption that she went on a suicide mission into the device instead of leaving the facility like she explicitly says she plans to do: [quote] I’m resigning... I can’t take this journal out with me, so I’ve left it for the others, and asked them to continue the log.[/quote] We already know that Maya experimented with/built time travel devices and would therefore be as knowledgeable as anyone (and hardly timid about doing so). No such evidence exists about Chioma doing that kind of independent research, though admittedly I don't know what was going on at Hyperion. Maya's questioning about the implications of time travel are also cited in the hunter cloak "The Ishtar Dilemma"(small aside, while not a guardian, the Stranger certainly has a hunter character model.), further cementing a picture of the type of person who would make herself into The Stranger to, in her own words, [quote]"....bring something back to now. Something you needed." "Or go forward and learn something vital. If you knew how to control it, how to navigate across space and time"[/quote]

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